China produces 75-80% of EV batteries.

[risKingDigits]

“When we have electric cars powered by clean energy, we will never have to worry about gas prices again,” the White House tweet said. “And autocrats like Putin won’t be able to use fossil fuels as weapons against other nations.”

Sincerely yours,
Joe B.

[TheRifleman]

just 75 percent?

[Ian]

Your assertion about battery manufacturing is completely false.

The country with the largest lithium mining output is Australia. Thacker Pass in Nevada received it's final approval in February, and has enough lithium to meet 25% of world demand. Biden has been working to expedite production in spite of efforts by some environmental groups.

I didn't vote for Biden, but I don't understand why Republicans want to throw American ev manufacturers under the bus in order to denigrate him.

[risKingDigits]

You’re almost there. Chile actually has the biggest known lithium reserves and Australia is currently the leader in mining. Most of Australia’s lithium is supplied to CHINA, which remains, to date, its biggest market.

I see you’re tired of gas prices, but instead of you realizing the Keystone would ease your suffering, you support this clown spending billions and billions on a problem he created.

[Ra77er]

You’re almost there. Chile actually has the biggest known lithium reserves and Australia is currently the leader in mining. Most of Australia’s lithium is supplied to CHINA, which remains, to date, its biggest market.

I see you’re tired of gas prices, but instead of you realizing the Keystone would ease your suffering, you support this clown spending billions and billions on a problem he created.

The left says the pipeline wouldn't benefit the American people as the oil is primarily exported. If the true reason is that oil exec's will make big money off Keystone and not actual product for the American people then you are just shilling for the oil industry in supporting the pipeline. I would cheer for it if they actually cared about the people. If the issue is leverage such as only gas pump relief if we get x then that's absurd. I'm not judging this either way just saying.

I don't think we should ever rely on another country for such a large % of goods.

[risKingDigits]

that’s a job for our leaders to implement tariffs that would encourage local sales and development of refineries. It’s insane to think we have a one of the most abundant lands of recourses and we can’t harvest and provide for our own people and our own infrastructure. I don’t buy the idea that we wouldn’t be better off with pipelines flowing, even at 50% retention, we will benefit.

I also agree we can’t be reliant on a large % of anything to one country. They will have us by the short hairs. If Russia was hard to wean off because of war, China absolutely owns us and Biden may be too stupid to realize that. China has their hooks in deep. We need to promote self independence through our own recourses, which includes putting Americans back to work making American products.

[Ra77er]

Fair enough on all points. I tend to agree that the pipeline would probably have been a net benefit for us as the people. I say as the people meaning poor or middle class. I am not wealthy. That perspective would be different I would imagine. Trump said it was a good situation for all sides and being energy independent makes the most sense even for the poorest amongst us in my view. I guess you are new around here? Seem to be a sharp guy, gl

[risKingDigits]

seen you around for years, lurked but never posted. I like to hear the other side, so my head doesn’t get tunnel vision. That’s why I listen to NPR...lol! You’re educated and balanced enough to have a discussion and I can learn something from that. I’m not a fan of Trump as a man but his policies seemed somewhat decent. I don’t believe the right or left is trustworthy.

Like most here, I tend to just stir the pot, classic degenerate I suppose.

BOL

[Ra77er]

I've said plenty of stupid things on here so hopefully I can be forgiven. This world today though is insane and I understand why some are very meticulous when it comes to posting. I like human beings.

Just my personal opinion but NPR is not intellectually stimulating. It sounds like it is based more in emotions rather than logic and reasoning. (although not always).

I liken Trump to certain cappers on the internet. Some are arrogant pricks that people want to see lose. The discerning individuals can disregard these "traits" and see the actual signal rather than the noise. Trump was the right pick in my view. I can't stand to listen to him on the tv for more than 2 minutes though.

It is good to keep an open mind and listen to both sides like you say you are.

[Ian]

I see you’re tired of gas prices, but instead of you realizing the Keystone would ease your suffering, you support this clown spending billions and billions on a problem he created.

Nothing I posted has anything to do with either gas prices or the Keystone pipeline. You said that "China produces 75-80% of ev batteries. I showed you that is false. I also showed you that China's footprint on the battery market is about to be decreased because of the Thacker Pass mine, which Biden supports to the dismay of some left-wing groups.

I also agree we can’t be reliant on a large % of anything to one country. They will have us by the short hairs. If Russia was hard to wean off because of war, China absolutely owns us and Biden may be too stupid to realize that. China has their hooks in deep. We need to promote self independence through our own recourses, which includes putting Americans back to work making American products.

Having one American mine produce 25% of world demand and having that lithium stay in country is doing exactly what you advocate in the last sentence. Your hatred of Biden is blinding you to that.
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[risKingDigits]

Ian, does Australia pull batteries out of the ground? They send the lithium to a manufacturer, China is the biggest Manufacturer in the world of lithium batteries. I don’t know how to make that any clearer to you.

In your previous posts, you’ve mentioned you’ve paid the most for fuel, advocating for an electric vehicle. That’s exactly the mindset Biden wants. What a hero, he is going to save us all, by spending his way out of the problem that want a problem, until he took the reigns.

[chico2663]

You’re almost there. Chile actually has the biggest known lithium reserves and Australia is currently the leader in mining. Most of Australia’s lithium is supplied to CHINA, which remains, to date, its biggest market.

I see you’re tired of gas prices, but instead of you realizing the Keystone would ease your suffering, you support this clown spending billions and billions on a problem he created.

The company that owns keystone (transcanada) has already stated they are no longer interested. Actually if it would of went into business the price of heavy oil would of went up. It would of created 10 permenant jobs. There is a reason that the Canadian tefineries in Ontario, burnaby and Edmonton refused to process it. The only ones who would of made money were the pipeline owner (kelcey Warren) , transcanada and the politicians who used eminent domain to steal property on the pipeline.E.t.e already has a leaking pipeline in Ohio and another in Pennsylvania. The pipeline would of went under a lake that some Indians use for their water.
whenever I see someone bring up the pipeline I think another dumbass that watches faux.

[Ian]

Ian, does Australia pull batteries out of the ground? They send the lithium to a manufacturer, China is the biggest Manufacturer in the world of lithium batteries. I don’t know how to make that any clearer to you.

In your previous posts, you’ve mentioned you’ve paid the most for fuel, advocating for an electric vehicle. That’s exactly the mindset Biden wants. What a hero, he is going to save us all, by spending his way out of the problem that want a problem, until he took the reigns.

As to your first point. There are over a dozen US battery manufacturing plants scheduled to be online by 2025, in addition to the US already having the world's largest lithium ion battery factory already with the gigafactory. Even if that weren't the case, and American lithium was shipped to China just so the batteries can be shipped back here, that still would lead to more American jobs and the US having a greater % of the supply chain.

As to your second point. In a different post I was replying to a poster who claimed all electric cars are bad because one person had a bad experience with one. My reply was that his point was irrational as saying all ICE cars were bad because gas is high now.

You hate Biden. I get it. But you're trying to justify your hatred by making false claims about US made electric cars.

Tesla alone employs almost 100k Americans, and there is a large demand for electric cars. The US already has a lot of battery manufacturing capability and soon it will increase by a significant factor. If Joe Biden never existed all this would still be the case, and some of his proposals (like with Thacker Pass) will help allow the US to keep more of the supply chain in the country. This is fact, regardless of what you, I, or anyone else thinks of the current President.

[rkelly110]

Do you know we were shipping in russian oil to the tune of 245 million barrels under your boy rump? Or that the keystone pipeline wasn't in operation under rump? Sure he reopened it, but nothing went through it. Did you know under rump 800 thousand barrels of oil were not being processed at the refineries, for what reason...now we know. He was making sure Joe would take the blame for his shenanigans so we would be sure to cheer his lying F'n ass to come save us ALL!

Did the US imports oil from Russia under Trump?

The truth is that the US was importing a significant quantity of oil and petroleum products from Russia under Trump: over 137 million barrels in 2018, then 189.8 million barrels in 2019 and 197.7 million barrels in 2020. Imports from Russia did increase again, to 245.2 million barrels, in 2021.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/15/politics/energy-independence-fact-check/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-oil-trump-saudi-specialreport-idUSKBN22C1V4

Special Report: Trump told Saudi: Cut oil supply or lose U.S. military support - sources

President Trump and the Keystone XL Pipeline
When the Obama administration refused to grant the cross-border permit necessary to build TC Energy’s Keystone XL oil pipeline in November 2015, it struck a blow against polluting powers and acknowledged the consensus on this misguided project from a wide swath of communities, experts, and organizations. The decision echoed a seven-year State Department review process with EPA input that concluded the pipeline would fail to serve national interests.

https://www.nrdc.org/stories/what-keystone-pipeline#trump

Upon entering office, President Trump—with his pro-polluter cabinet of fossil fuel advocates, billionaires, and bankers—quickly demonstrated that his priorities differed. On his fourth day in office, Trump signed an executive order to allow Keystone XL to move forward. On March 28, 2017, his State Department illegally approved a cross-border permit for the pipeline, reversing the Obama administration’s prior determination that KXL would not serve the national interest. When that failed—thanks to a lawsuit brought by NRDC and other groups—Trump reissued the cross-border permit himself. “We would score a victory, and it would have huge ramifications for holding off construction at critical times,” says NRDC attorney Cecilia Segal, who has worked on KXL litigation since 2017. “But then the Trump administration would do something to undercut us outside of court.” The administration also attempted to issue other permits for the project, all based on flawed environmental analyses, eventually prompting more lawsuits, including two from NRDC and its allies.

Opposition outside the courts was swift and strong as well. Farmers, ranchers, tribes, and conservation groups helped keep the project stalled for Trump’s full four years in office, despite his best efforts to expedite its approval.

[Greget]

Your assertion about battery manufacturing is completely false.

The country with the largest lithium mining output is Australia. Thacker Pass in Nevada received it's final approval in February, and has enough lithium to meet 25% of world demand. Biden has been working to expedite production in spite of efforts by some environmental groups.

I didn't vote for Biden, but I don't understand why Republicans want to throw American ev manufacturers under the bus in order to denigrate him.

Because for a Trumptard, posting BS against Biden is more important that securing America's future. These man children never grew up.

[Greget]

Ian, does Australia pull batteries out of the ground? They send the lithium to a manufacturer, China is the biggest Manufacturer in the world of lithium batteries. I don’t know how to make that any clearer to you.

In your previous posts, you’ve mentioned you’ve paid the most for fuel, advocating for an electric vehicle. That’s exactly the mindset Biden wants. What a hero, he is going to save us all, by spending his way out of the problem that want a problem, until he took the reigns.

Wait so no one advocated for EV's before Biden? EV's are the future, and Biden is also trying to grow the battery manufacturing sector in America. No EVs because China makes a lot of batteries isn't a good approach. Not when we have such abundant renewable resources. Yes, Trump focused on oil, and that led to China getting massive head start on us... that was beyond foolish. Trump was the very worst president to ever occupy the White House. Full Stop.