Time to get serious about JonBenet Ramsey.... Let's do this!!!

**Auto Donk** · 09-12-16, 09:56 AM

wow... didn't even know there was a civil lawsuit arising out of all this bullshit.... apparently the ramsey's wrote a book and listed some dillhole as who they thought may have done it, so he sued their asses since the Boulder PD and DA's office had cleared him.....

his lawsuit was dismissed, but a ton of evidence was vetted by the civil case lawyers....

this page has just about everything you need to see to determine it may very well have been a f'n intruder.... a lot of evidence supports an intruder having done it:

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682468/Evidence%20of%20an%20Intruder

**boeing power** · 09-12-16, 10:34 AM

Somebody in the immediate family did it and they covered it up.

If there was an intruder they would have taken the girl, not abused and killed her in the basement with her parents in the house.

**jtoler** · 09-12-16, 10:47 AM

What does McConaughey have to do with this?

**slambam** · 09-12-16, 12:06 PM

Does somebody other than CBS have the mini series? I was 10 when this shit happened, it is interesting though. Plan to watch the CBS one, if there isn't another one out already.

**Bostongambler** · 09-12-16, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by jtoler

What does McConaughey have to do with this?

What does his hi-defined abs got to do with it?

**Auto Donk** · 09-12-16, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by jtoler

What does McConaughey have to do with this?

he makes this thread cool.....

and he used to live one street over from me when I lived on Stevenson Avenu in the Tarrytown area of old West Austin.... the house where he got arrested for playing naked butt bongo fiesta......

**Ghenghis Kahn** · 09-12-16, 12:32 PM

sad case. i don't think the killer will ever be found. i watched the dateline on her and there are some strange shit that happened.

**Auto Donk** · 09-12-16, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by boeing power

Somebody in the immediate family did it and they covered it up.

If there was an intruder they would have taken the girl, not abused and killed her in the basement with her parents in the house.

there is a theory, backed by detective Smit on the case, that the intruder planned to take the body, had put it in a suit case, but couldn't get the suitcase out of the basement window.... he panicked, took the body out of the suit case, dragged it into the wine cellar, and left the suit case, which still had a blanket and some other shit of JBR's in it, sitting right beneath the access window... that's where the cops found it. the suit case had fibers in it that matched what JBR had on a the time of her death.....

**Ghenghis Kahn** · 09-12-16, 12:39 PM

cops had their eyes on her parents, especially the mom. but the amount of ransom and since the ransom note was written inside the house, it had to be someone they knew personally.

**Auto Donk** · 09-12-16, 12:44 PM

here's the damn ransom note....

it mentions $118k, which matched the exact amount of some bonus or other bullshit that John Ramsey either rec'd or paid himself.... indicating either someone from work with an axe to grind or a kooky f'n murderous wife.... who knows....

**Ghenghis Kahn** · 09-12-16, 12:54 PM

i don't think her mom did it. jonbenet had stun gun marks and was molested. probably some sick pedo...

**Smoke** · 09-12-16, 02:22 PM

**d2bets** · 09-12-16, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by Auto Donk

here's the damn ransom note....

it mentions $118k, which matched the exact amount of some bonus or other bullshit that John Ramsey either rec'd or paid himself.... indicating either someone from work with an axe to grind or a kooky f'n murderous wife.... who knows....

This is the key. It was an intruder and it was someone who worked with or did business with John Ramsey's company.

I do think John knows more than he lets on and I do not like that guy. But I don't think the family did it.

**TheMoneyShot** · 09-13-16, 12:31 AM

The ID Channel... (285 DirecTV) is having a special on this... it just started tonight (Episode 1 aired Monday). Episode 2 and 3 are Tuesday and Wednesday. The replay of Episode 1 I believe is at 9PM Tuesday. 10PM the 2nd Episode will air.

JonBenet: An American Murder Mystery.

**TheMoneyShot** · 09-13-16, 12:35 AM

What's interesting is that Barbara Walters already had a special on JonBenet about 6-8 months ago. This was also on the ID Channel.

Don't know why they are doing this NEW Episode 1-3 show???

**TheMoneyShot** · 09-13-16, 12:38 AM

Watching it right now....

They said JonBenet was a bed wetter.... and her mom warned her several times to stop doing it.

That night... they believe JonBenet wet her bed.... her mom found out. And the mother hit her very hard. Possibly with a blunt object.

To cover everything up.... they brought the body to the basement.

**SBRMAN23** · 09-13-16, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

Watching it right now....

They said JonBenet was a bed wetter.... and her mom warned her several times to stop doing it.

That night... they believe JonBenet wet her bed.... her mom found out. And the mother hit her very hard. Possibly with a blunt object.

To cover everything up.... they brought the body to the basement.

Oh wow thats crazy

**mohye1980** · 09-13-16, 02:28 AM

Family did it. How would the girl get raped/molested and killed without the family hearing a thing? Everything points to the family.

**d2bets** · 09-13-16, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by mohye1980

Family did it. How would the girl get raped/molested and killed without the family hearing a thing? Everything points to the family.

Stun gun
Huge house
Basement

**Snowball** · 09-13-16, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by Auto Donk

I mean seriously, look what we managed to do with 9-11.... over a year of posts in a thread and nothing is any more clear than the day Snowy started the f'n thing.....

I have to raise exemption with this, a lot is clear, if one is willing to pay attention and think
outside of their preconceived notions. In the last video posted there, after the "plane" is
absorbed by the tower, 6-7 seconds LATER... then the hole imprint of the plane shape
emerged, plainly done with implanted explosives. But, I digress...

Who can say with certainty concerning JonBenet's murder, however this first and only,
and 20 years later interview which Burke Ramsey did with Dr. Phil certainly has raised
the eyebrows.
Burke Ramsey has lived in hiding for 20 years. He still lives in hiding, works from home,
and has no public profile, indeed hardly any social interaction at all.
His mannerisms and behavior in the interview appear to be a classic case of sociopathology,
or some other mental issue, the blank smiles, the empty eyes, etc.. it took him 20 years
to feel confident enough to talk about it, knowing he could lie. Burke was mere days away
from his 10th birthday when JonBenet was strangled, and hit. 10 is certainly strong enough
to kill in anger, especially a tiny little girl.
One would think Burke would appear much differently than he did in the interview.
Burke also lost his mother when she was only 49 to ovarian cancer. He does not appear normal.
He appears psychotic.

It is easy to understand the situation of the parents and why the focus of the police was
on the family.. and why they and their law firm attempted to shift away from the plain evidence.
They just lost their daughter, did they want to lose their son also ? They didn't want his life ruined.
So they started hatching stories. They even allowed themselves to become suspects rather than
see Burke convicted of killing JonBenet for what was, in their eyes, a mistake, a boyish fit of rage,
not willing to admit that their son had serious mental problems of some sort.
He cannot be tried as an adult of course, the state doesn't have much of a reason to push this,
but in the highest likelihood, Burke killed Jonbenet.

**TheMoneyShot** · 09-13-16, 01:50 PM

What I don't understand is that why bring this to the surface 19-20 years later? There was already some extensive detective work done by the police for years. If you couldn't figure it out then.... how can you figure it out now?

Furthermore, with so many similar style murders in the USA.... a child home with parents etc.... How many times were the parents accused of murdering their kid? 99.9% of the time. Regardless of minimal evidence or not.

Why did the Ramsey's get to walk?

Doesn't Make Any Sense.

**TheMoneyShot** · 09-13-16, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by mohye1980

Family did it. How would the girl get raped/molested and killed without the family hearing a thing? Everything points to the family.

Originally posted by d2bets

Stun gun
Huge house
Basement

Yeah... it was a planned assassination of a 6 year old girl. Come on D2.

If the parents didn't do it... they know who did. They are full of sh#$ if they don't. You would rat out any of your family members to save yourself.

The issue is.... the parents killed their own daughter.

Even if the house was 5,000 sq ft. You would hear or feel something going on.

**jtoler** · 09-13-16, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

Yeah... it was a planned assassination of a 6 year old girl. Come on D2.

If the parents didn't do it... they know who did. They are full of sh#$ if they don't. You would rat out any of your family members to save yourself.

The issue is.... the parents killed their own daughter.

Even if the house was 5,000 sq ft. You would hear or feel something going on.

Really? How?

**d2bets** · 09-13-16, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Snowball

I have to raise exemption with this, a lot is clear, if one is willing to pay attention and think
outside of their preconceived notions. In the last video posted there, after the "plane" is
absorbed by the tower, 6-7 seconds LATER... then the hole imprint of the plane shape
emerged, plainly done with implanted explosives. But, I digress...

Who can say with certainty concerning JonBenet's murder, however this first and only,
and 20 years later interview which Burke Ramsey did with Dr. Phil certainly has raised
the eyebrows.
Burke Ramsey has lived in hiding for 20 years. He still lives in hiding, works from home,
and has no public profile, indeed hardly any social interaction at all.
His mannerisms and behavior in the interview appear to be a classic case of sociopathology,
or some other mental issue, the blank smiles, the empty eyes, etc.. it took him 20 years
to feel confident enough to talk about it, knowing he could lie. Burke was mere days away
from his 10th birthday when JonBenet was strangled, and hit. 10 is certainly strong enough
to kill in anger, especially a tiny little girl.
One would think Burke would appear much differently than he did in the interview.
Burke also lost his mother when she was only 49 to ovarian cancer. He does not appear normal.
He appears psychotic.

It is easy to understand the situation of the parents and why the focus of the police was
on the family.. and why they and their law firm attempted to shift away from the plain evidence.
They just lost their daughter, did they want to lose their son also ? They didn't want his life ruined.
So they started hatching stories. They even allowed themselves to become suspects rather than
see Burke convicted of killing JonBenet for what was, in their eyes, a mistake, a boyish fit of rage,
not willing to admit that their son had serious mental problems of some sort.
He cannot be tried as an adult of course, the state doesn't have much of a reason to push this,
but in the highest likelihood, Burke killed Jonbenet.

In that theory, I assume you have Patsy writing the ransom note? For her to have the presence to hatch that as a sudden reaction to a traumatic accident is pretty unbelievable.

Burke is weird as all hell and John Ramsey seems like a jerk, but that doesn't mean they did it. Just doesn't fit.

**d2bets** · 09-13-16, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by jtoler

Really? How?

I know I wouldn't hear anything happening in my basement if I was asleep on my 3rd floor. And if she was hit with a stun gun, then she went silent. That also doesn't fit with Burke or the family. They never found any stun gun and there's nothing suggesting they ever had one. That would not make sense with the accident theory.

It was something relating to John's business. Maybe he does know more about who it could be than he's letting on. But it doesn't make sense he'd be in on that. He wasn't having money issues. Had no reason.

**Snowball** · 09-13-16, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

In that theory, I assume you have Patsy writing the ransom note?

yup. watch the video:

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http://www.nationalenquirer.com/videos/police-investigate-jonbenet-ramsey-ransom-note-handwriting-analysis-id-video/

**d2bets** · 09-13-16, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Snowball

yup. watch the video:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/vide...ysis-id-video/

I'll watch it later. But do you think it was planned, or spontaneous after son killed her?

**Snowball** · 09-13-16, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

I'll watch it later. But do you think it was planned, or spontaneous after son killed her?

I'm no expert on this case, I'm just saying that the son needs to be considered.
Especially now. If this was indeed their plan, then their plan worked.
It was Christmas Day when she died. Accidents happen with children.
Perhaps Burke was jealous over all the attention she got.
Perhaps they were playing a dangerous game, he was joking, but his insanity
made that game insane. She screamed. 6 year old girl now dead.
Perhaps Burke was angry over something she said, or the gifts, or a long-burning resentment.
I find it hard to believe that if she was murdered by an outsider, that it would occur in their home.
There is too much risk. Why kill a child in their home, with family there, on Christmas Day,
that is just plain stupid, even if you want her dead. The ransom was fake, the friend helped
fake that story with the bank withdrawal. The pineapples in the house matched her stomach,
she was killed in the house by the parents or by Burke, and after what I've seen in the Dr. Phil
video, I'm more inclined to think Burke. Then, the parents panicked. Burke was crying.
They still loved him. Already lost one child. Hatched the story... there's a lot of "satanic sacrifice"
type speculation, some evidence.. the $118,000 "ransom" could be connected to Psalm 118,
which has a sacrifice bound by cord in verse 27. Still.. it's the same family.. not Bob Enyart.
Enyart still says the Ramseys did it. Said the father faked bloody footprints. If Enyart did it,
he would have been caught and named from the beginning. We're talking about the mother
or Burke, or all 3 of them. It's just Burke's demeanor that you can tell something ain't right,
he knows more, he's not just trying to forget, and he has a look that the parents really never had,
that insane killer look. Did the parents make him do it ? I doubt that. His mother is dead now.
Burke has never been cleared. A game gone bad. An argument ? maybe.. whatever,
Burke just ain't right.

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682454/Burke%20Ramsey

**Auto Donk** · 09-13-16, 07:05 PM

probably an accidental death by either patsy or burke.... cover up followed under theory 1.

**klemopixx** · 09-13-16, 07:30 PM

Burke has Asperger's so that explained how odd he acts, maybe it also explains how he could have done it too. All I'm sure of is this - NO ONE writes a ransom note inside of a house WHILE you're kidnapping the child. It's definitely one of the three inside the house, if not all three. What throws me off is the fact she was sexually assaulted, I'm sure her brother didn't do it, not at 9. This is one case where the truth will never surface.

**d2bets** · 09-13-16, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by klemopixx

Burke has Asperger's so that explained how odd he acts, maybe it also explains how he could have done it too. All I'm sure of is this - NO ONE writes a ransom note inside of a house WHILE you're kidnapping the child. It's definitely one of the three inside the house, if not all three. What throws me off is the fact she was sexually assaulted, I'm sure her brother didn't do it, not at 9. This is one case where the truth will never surface.

The intruder could have written the note while JonBenet pay dead in the basement and the family lay asleep upstairs. Maybe he was prepared to kill or subdue the family if they came down. That note could have been written in 15 minutes while they were sleeping at 3am. Doesn't seem that implausible to me.

Much more implausible that Patsy and John would suddenly hatch a coverup involving writing a bizarre fake ransom note and leaving the dead child in the basement. And if it was an accident by Burke who killed her, what about the stun gun? And where is the stun gun? A 9 year old has and knows how to use a stun gun?

**TheMoneyShot** · 09-13-16, 09:36 PM

Both parents way too calm over a beloved daughter dying. I'm sorry...

Show some fukking emotions.

Parents guilty as fuk.

**Ghenghis Kahn** · 09-13-16, 10:41 PM

why would the parents kill the daughter and not the son? just because she wet the bed? c'mon now, if that were the case, all kids would get murdered by their parents. is there a kid that never wet the bed? wtf?

**jtoler** · 09-13-16, 11:20 PM

Didnt follow this case closely when it happened, watching one of the ID shows on it now. Father's behavior definitely suspicious, making flight plans hours after daughter's death, separate attorneys. Will finish watching.