Police Defunding?

[JIBBBY]

BLM = Defund all police in all of America!!..

It's all over social media, BLM main slogan push now. Get rid of the police!! Just posting the facts.. Stupid and reckless!! ..

Biden getting pressured to get on the same program.. Biden not biting yet.. Trump certainly not on board with that.

[MinnesotaFats]

Tough spot for Joe

Black voter turnout is his only true edge

It's a 90% block for him, about 8% of the total electorate. He cannot afford to lose this vote OR the union support of police and fire

Press won't make him take a position of course lol

[nyplayer33]

Add the go fund me 12 million plus for floyd...guess what. Some of that money should go to lady who was a victim of robbery etc he did 5cyrs for.

[lakerboy]

Tough spot for Joe

Black voter turnout is his only true edge

It's a 90% block for him, about 8% of the total electorate. He cannot afford to lose this vote OR the union support of police and fire

Press won't make him take a position of course lol

No Biden said no defunding.

[BigdaddyQH]

This is what minorities can expect with a major drop in police presence. True Story. During the Los Angeles Riots of 1992, a group of White supremacist set a trap for Blacks. They intentionally chose a vehicle with 4 blacks inside the car. They had the car chase them into a very quiet part of the city, where there were 4 gunmen lying in wait for them. As the vehicle approached, the gunmen opened fire with semi-automatic weapons. The result. 2 blacks dead, two serious injuried, and no arrests. No one saw a thing, and since this was one of the few "quiet" parts of the city, the police were miles away fighting other crimes. White Supremacist groups have a huge tactical advantage over the average minority groups. They are well funded, well armed, and well trained. They are very difficult to uncover and more difficult to convict. More officers are needed to infiltrate groups like this, not less. Defund the Police? That is like taking your life into your own hands.

[lakerboy]

This is what minorities can expect with a major drop in police presence. True Story. During the Los Angeles Riots of 1992, a group of White supremacist set a trap for Blacks. They intentionally chose a vehicle with 4 blacks inside the car. They had the car chase them into a very quiet part of the city, where there were 4 gunmen lying in wait for them. As the vehicle approached, the gunmen opened fire with semi-automatic weapons. The result. 2 blacks dead, two serious injuried, and no arrests. No one saw a thing, and since this was one of the few "quiet" parts of the city, the police were miles away fighting other crimes. White Supremacist groups have a huge tactical advantage over the average minority groups. They are well funded, well armed, and well trained. They are very difficult to uncover and more difficult to convict. More officers are needed to infiltrate groups like this, not less. Defund the Police? That is like taking your life into your own hands.

Are you a leader of one of them? You hate minority folks.

[KVB]

Are you a leader of one of them? You hate minority folks.

He's kind of right here though.

If you thought a few cops were racist, just put it in the hands of the public.

It could get ugly.

[lakerboy]

He's kind of right here though.

If you thought a few cops were racist, just put it in the hands of the public.

It could get ugly.

I'm right as well. He is a racist POS. You know that.

[KVB]

I'm right as well. He is a racist POS. You know that.

That's how he knows what kind of trouble can be on the horizon.

He's not afraid to use the mini bat.

[Kermit]

This is what minorities can expect with a major drop in police presence. True Story. During the Los Angeles Riots of 1992, a group of White supremacist set a trap for Blacks. They intentionally chose a vehicle with 4 blacks inside the car. They had the car chase them into a very quiet part of the city, where there were 4 gunmen lying in wait for them. As the vehicle approached, the gunmen opened fire with semi-automatic weapons. The result. 2 blacks dead, two serious injuried, and no arrests. No one saw a thing, and since this was one of the few "quiet" parts of the city, the police were miles away fighting other crimes. White Supremacist groups have a huge tactical advantage over the average minority groups. They are well funded, well armed, and well trained. They are very difficult to uncover and more difficult to convict. More officers are needed to infiltrate groups like this, not less. Defund the Police? That is like taking your life into your own hands.

So what blacks have to worry about is white people setting traps to kill them and not an increase in blacks killing blacks at an even higher rate than they are now?

Interesting.

[DwightShrute]

[KVB]

[JIBBBY]

^^

[gauchojake]

This might just be an end around to break the local police union. If you actually read what the city council intends to do, they specifically state that they are not getting rid of the police any time soon. They intend to change the way that policing is conducted. Honestly after all the bad pub that department has had over the past decade I would do the same.

[PAULYPOKER]

I could definitely see police being privatized.....

If that happens these BLM are gonna beg for the gov to bring em back...

Arresting for profit as the government still pays for it,only 10x the amount...

Just like private prisons and jails.........

[PAULYPOKER]

All the other unions got busted, chewed up and spit out...

Why not the fukk this one?

[Goat Milk]

This is what minorities can expect with a major drop in police presence. True Story. During the Los Angeles Riots of 1992, a group of White supremacist set a trap for Blacks. They intentionally chose a vehicle with 4 blacks inside the car. They had the car chase them into a very quiet part of the city, where there were 4 gunmen lying in wait for them. As the vehicle approached, the gunmen opened fire with semi-automatic weapons. The result. 2 blacks dead, two serious injuried, and no arrests. No one saw a thing, and since this was one of the few "quiet" parts of the city, the police were miles away fighting other crimes. White Supremacist groups have a huge tactical advantage over the average minority groups. They are well funded, well armed, and well trained. They are very difficult to uncover and more difficult to convict. More officers are needed to infiltrate groups like this, not less. Defund the Police? That is like taking your life into your own hands.

Take my life into my own hands daily. Watch my back 24/7. No one coming to my rescue except God, if It intervenes.

[JIBBBY]

[pimike]

Add the go fund me 12 million plus for floyd...guess what. Some of that money should go to lady who was a victim of robbery etc he did 5cyrs for.

Good point

[pimike]

Why would I be sad of the death rate improving?

Blame the rioting and stupid liberals for any and all new deaths and infections!

No cutting hair or you go to jail! However protesting and looting no problem.


Can’t believe people are blind to this. It shows you where the real hate is coming from.

[stevenash]

Just like private prisons and jails.........

Yep, I've read stories about some of those private prison's run for profit.
Inmates pretty much begging for the old system jails.

Go ahead defund everything, (not you Pauly) be careful what you wish for.

[Mr KLC]

[jjgold]

What is sickening world we live in

[19th Hole]

If firefighters ran around lighting people on fire....you might consider defunding them.

Or if the people that you support set the police on fire...

[carolinakid]

this is just so wrong, we need more police

[DwightShrute]

Or if the people that you support set the police on fire...

I hope they find that scumbag and torture him for weeks

[Mr KLC]

[goduke]

this is just so wrong, we need more police

Nyc example in 2014 or 2015 says we don’t. Camden NJ also says we don’t. People so afraid of change that they rather have something that is completely broken. And I thought conservatives called liberals snowflakes

[KVB]

this is just so wrong, we need more police

...Camden NJ also says we don’t. People so afraid of change that they rather have something that is completely broken. And I thought conservatives called liberals snowflakes

It seems you are always full of shit goduke.

Camden NJ made a change that led to more resources in the community but the actual officers increased as well. The city force moved to a county force and while officers reapplied, many new recruits were also hired.

This happened because NJ was forced to lay off hundreds of officers two years prior and the murder rate skyrocketed.

All of it was born out of financial and economic need, not race or methods, but you are wrong about what happend both in NYC and Camden NJ.

goduke you are not doing the forum a service by posting out of ignorance, please try to educate yourself.

Other than that, carry on.

[TATUMUS]

In 2014 and 2015 less policing was done in nyc as a response to try and prove that if cops weren’t policing crime would go up and it actually presented the opposite. There were fewer incidents.
Police have a horrible success rate at solving murders, handling domestic and rape cases.
Aggressive policing tends to add more social disruption which can lead to more crime.
And with all this most police budgets have tripled in the last few years
This is too many holes to not think the police need to be less funded and changed.

So your argument suggests that a police force of ZERO would produce the lowest crime rate.

Other statistics seem to indicate a direct correlation between local Democrat government and higher crime rates AND poverty.

This idea of defunding law enforcement is so irrational. So in one breath people are saying we have a systemic problem with police brutality (which I'm not buying to begin with but that's a different argument). And in the next breath they are saying let's take away funding so that additional training cannot be made available to reduce these types of incidents. I say reduce, because they will never be totally eliminated. More people WILL die in police custody, and the next one that happens to be black (whether through police brutality or not) will ignite this entire powder keg again (if he's white, no one will care and it likely won't even make the news). But who is going to be the ones to suffer the most from reduced police protection? I can guarantee it's not going to be Nancy Pelosi or any of those Democrat mayors living in their guarded gated communities.

One thing that puzzles me is why a lot of black people can't see how George Floyd's death has been totally exploited and how they are being manipulated by the Democrats. That whole circus that Pelosi put on with the kneeling was nothing but pandering. And anyone who can't see that is either blind or averse to reality. Remember, an election is coming up. It's the quadrennial season for the Dems to polish up their rhetoric about how they intend to improve the plight of the black man and shout it out from every podium they step in front of. And then on November 4, it will go back into storage for the next four years. Pelosi, Schumer and Biden have all been in the top levels of government for decades and if they have such grand plans, why haven't they done something already? They had a black president and both houses of Congress during a period of Obama's reign, yet they did nothing because they had already won the election.

But it should be plain to see that if racial harmony were to come about, it would to the detriment of the Democrat Party because racial discord is such an important part of their platform. Democrats can't win without the black vote. If the race card was suddenly eliminated, it'd be the greatest defeat the Democrats would suffer since the Republicans ended slavery. The War on Poverty (aka the Poverty Proliferation Program) began in 1968 and since that time the government has spent $22 TRILLION ($22,000,000,000,000.00) towards that effort. The results have been nil. We're still at the same poverty rate that we were in 1968. But President Johnson underestimated himself a bit when he said he would have the blacks voting Democrat for the next 50 years. It's been 652 years now but the curtain is finally being lifted and the BLEXIT movement is gaining momentum. For the sake of black Americans, I sincerely hope that movement continues to grow.

[goduke]

It seems you are always full of shit goduke.

Camden NJ made a change that led to more resources in the community but the actual officers increased as well. The city force moved to a county force and while officers reapplied, many new recruits were also hired.

This happened because NJ was forced to lay off hundreds of officers two years prior and the murder rate skyrocketed.

All of it was born out of financial and economic need, not race or methods, but you are wrong about what happend both in NYC and Camden NJ.

goduke you are not doing the forum a service by posting out of ignorance, please try to educate yourself.

Other than that, carry on.

Oh the condescending attitude from KVB. Never been wrong in his life. It appears the article I read on Camden wasn’t as quality as a few other articles. I never said that the move was race based or methods based so I like how you add statements that were not said to help build your story. Let’s try to work on transparency. But I forgot how instead of taking the time to discuss with people and show each other areas of information that could make each other inform we instead post self entitled dick remarks.
As for the nyc article I have yet to find that what they did in 2014 wasn’t a result of less crime. So although you corrected me on one error you chose to disregard my other point because that wouldn’t help you steer the narrative and post your snide remark.
Why don’t you tell me more about your kvb fund that keeps grinding for quarters?

Feel free to point out these other “full of shit” points, I would love to hear them

[goduke]

So your argument suggests that a police force of ZERO would produce the lowest crime rate.

Other statistics seem to indicate a direct correlation between local Democrat government and higher crime rates AND poverty.

This idea of defunding law enforcement is so irrational. So in one breath people are saying we have a systemic problem with police brutality (which I'm not buying to begin with but that's a different argument). And in the next breath they are saying let's take away funding so that additional training cannot be made available to reduce these types of incidents. I say reduce, because they will never be totally eliminated. More people WILL die in police custody, and the next one that happens to be black (whether through police brutality or not) will ignite this entire powder keg again (if he's white, no one will care and it likely won't even make the news). But who is going to be the ones to suffer the most from reduced police protection? I can guarantee it's not going to be Nancy Pelosi or any of those Democrat mayors living in their guarded gated communities.

One thing that puzzles me is why a lot of black people can't see how George Floyd's death has been totally exploited and how they are being manipulated by the Democrats. That whole circus that Pelosi put on with the kneeling was nothing but pandering. And anyone who can't see that is either blind or averse to reality. Remember, an election is coming up. It's the quadrennial season for the Dems to polish up their rhetoric about how they intend to improve the plight of the black man and shout it out from every podium they step in front of. And then on November 4, it will go back into storage for the next four years. Pelosi, Schumer and Biden have all been in the top levels of government for decades and if they have such grand plans, why haven't they done something already? They had a black president and both houses of Congress during a period of Obama's reign, yet they did nothing because they had already won the election.

But it should be plain to see that if racial harmony were to come about, it would to the detriment of the Democrat Party because racial discord is such an important part of their platform. Democrats can't win without the black vote. If the race card was suddenly eliminated, it'd be the greatest defeat the Democrats would suffer since the Republicans ended slavery. The War on Poverty (aka the Poverty Proliferation Program) began in 1968 and since that time the government has spent $22 TRILLION ($22,000,000,000,000.00) towards that effort. The results have been nil. We're still at the same poverty rate that we were in 1968. But President Johnson underestimated himself a bit when he said he would have the blacks voting Democrat for the next 50 years. It's been 652 years now but the curtain is finally being lifted and the BLEXIT movement is gaining momentum. For the sake of black Americans, I sincerely hope that movement continues to grow.

Man I’m all for your response and debate but what’s the deal with some of you guys not reading everything I say. Nowhere in my comment did I say zero police force. I said less funded, I’ve looked at police budgets before they are incredibly inflated with a ton of wasteful costs. You can look at many town budgets and financials to see this. And I also said the current model needs to be changed. It doesn’t work, look at how many crimes are left unsolved, how most police business is reactionary rather than based on community development. It’s a flawed model.
Again let’s just read what I say and answer accordingly, let’s not alter what I say so that it helps your argument. If your argument is strong enough and has a solid point it won’t need you to change what I said to make it a strong point right?

[goduke]

So your argument suggests that a police force of ZERO would produce the lowest crime rate.

Other statistics seem to indicate a direct correlation between local Democrat government and higher crime rates AND poverty.

This idea of defunding law enforcement is so irrational. So in one breath people are saying we have a systemic problem with police brutality (which I'm not buying to begin with but that's a different argument). And in the next breath they are saying let's take away funding so that additional training cannot be made available to reduce these types of incidents. I say reduce, because they will never be totally eliminated. More people WILL die in police custody, and the next one that happens to be black (whether through police brutality or not) will ignite this entire powder keg again (if he's white, no one will care and it likely won't even make the news). But who is going to be the ones to suffer the most from reduced police protection? I can guarantee it's not going to be Nancy Pelosi or any of those Democrat mayors living in their guarded gated communities.

One thing that puzzles me is why a lot of black people can't see how George Floyd's death has been totally exploited and how they are being manipulated by the Democrats. That whole circus that Pelosi put on with the kneeling was nothing but pandering. And anyone who can't see that is either blind or averse to reality. Remember, an election is coming up. It's the quadrennial season for the Dems to polish up their rhetoric about how they intend to improve the plight of the black man and shout it out from every podium they step in front of. And then on November 4, it will go back into storage for the next four years. Pelosi, Schumer and Biden have all been in the top levels of government for decades and if they have such grand plans, why haven't they done something already? They had a black president and both houses of Congress during a period of Obama's reign, yet they did nothing because they had already won the election.

But it should be plain to see that if racial harmony were to come about, it would to the detriment of the Democrat Party because racial discord is such an important part of their platform. Democrats can't win without the black vote. If the race card was suddenly eliminated, it'd be the greatest defeat the Democrats would suffer since the Republicans ended slavery. The War on Poverty (aka the Poverty Proliferation Program) began in 1968 and since that time the government has spent $22 TRILLION ($22,000,000,000,000.00) towards that effort. The results have been nil. We're still at the same poverty rate that we were in 1968. But President Johnson underestimated himself a bit when he said he would have the blacks voting Democrat for the next 50 years. It's been 652 years now but the curtain is finally being lifted and the BLEXIT movement is gaining momentum. For the sake of black Americans, I sincerely hope that movement continues to grow.

Obama and dens never had full control of house and senate during his reign. You need 60 votes to pass legislation in the senate. Double check your numbers there and see it’s not true.

[goduke]

So your argument suggests that a police force of ZERO would produce the lowest crime rate.

Other statistics seem to indicate a direct correlation between local Democrat government and higher crime rates AND poverty.

This idea of defunding law enforcement is so irrational. So in one breath people are saying we have a systemic problem with police brutality (which I'm not buying to begin with but that's a different argument). And in the next breath they are saying let's take away funding so that additional training cannot be made available to reduce these types of incidents. I say reduce, because they will never be totally eliminated. More people WILL die in police custody, and the next one that happens to be black (whether through police brutality or not) will ignite this entire powder keg again (if he's white, no one will care and it likely won't even make the news). But who is going to be the ones to suffer the most from reduced police protection? I can guarantee it's not going to be Nancy Pelosi or any of those Democrat mayors living in their guarded gated communities.

One thing that puzzles me is why a lot of black people can't see how George Floyd's death has been totally exploited and how they are being manipulated by the Democrats. That whole circus that Pelosi put on with the kneeling was nothing but pandering. And anyone who can't see that is either blind or averse to reality. Remember, an election is coming up. It's the quadrennial season for the Dems to polish up their rhetoric about how they intend to improve the plight of the black man and shout it out from every podium they step in front of. And then on November 4, it will go back into storage for the next four years. Pelosi, Schumer and Biden have all been in the top levels of government for decades and if they have such grand plans, why haven't they done something already? They had a black president and both houses of Congress during a period of Obama's reign, yet they did nothing because they had already won the election.

But it should be plain to see that if racial harmony were to come about, it would to the detriment of the Democrat Party because racial discord is such an important part of their platform. Democrats can't win without the black vote. If the race card was suddenly eliminated, it'd be the greatest defeat the Democrats would suffer since the Republicans ended slavery. The War on Poverty (aka the Poverty Proliferation Program) began in 1968 and since that time the government has spent $22 TRILLION ($22,000,000,000,000.00) towards that effort. The results have been nil. We're still at the same poverty rate that we were in 1968. But President Johnson underestimated himself a bit when he said he would have the blacks voting Democrat for the next 50 years. It's been 652 years now but the curtain is finally being lifted and the BLEXIT movement is gaining momentum. For the sake of black Americans, I sincerely hope that movement continues to grow.

Didn’t they try training and more accountability with body cams? And the result has not solved the problem. So you suggest what extra training? How does that solve the cult like behavior of the current force. The ability for one officer not to correct wrongful actions of another officer in fear to alienate themselves off the force?

[goduke]

So your argument suggests that a police force of ZERO would produce the lowest crime rate.

Other statistics seem to indicate a direct correlation between local Democrat government and higher crime rates AND poverty.

This idea of defunding law enforcement is so irrational. So in one breath people are saying we have a systemic problem with police brutality (which I'm not buying to begin with but that's a different argument). And in the next breath they are saying let's take away funding so that additional training cannot be made available to reduce these types of incidents. I say reduce, because they will never be totally eliminated. More people WILL die in police custody, and the next one that happens to be black (whether through police brutality or not) will ignite this entire powder keg again (if he's white, no one will care and it likely won't even make the news). But who is going to be the ones to suffer the most from reduced police protection? I can guarantee it's not going to be Nancy Pelosi or any of those Democrat mayors living in their guarded gated communities.

One thing that puzzles me is why a lot of black people can't see how George Floyd's death has been totally exploited and how they are being manipulated by the Democrats. That whole circus that Pelosi put on with the kneeling was nothing but pandering. And anyone who can't see that is either blind or averse to reality. Remember, an election is coming up. It's the quadrennial season for the Dems to polish up their rhetoric about how they intend to improve the plight of the black man and shout it out from every podium they step in front of. And then on November 4, it will go back into storage for the next four years. Pelosi, Schumer and Biden have all been in the top levels of government for decades and if they have such grand plans, why haven't they done something already? They had a black president and both houses of Congress during a period of Obama's reign, yet they did nothing because they had already won the election.

But it should be plain to see that if racial harmony were to come about, it would to the detriment of the Democrat Party because racial discord is such an important part of their platform. Democrats can't win without the black vote. If the race card was suddenly eliminated, it'd be the greatest defeat the Democrats would suffer since the Republicans ended slavery. The War on Poverty (aka the Poverty Proliferation Program) began in 1968 and since that time the government has spent $22 TRILLION ($22,000,000,000,000.00) towards that effort. The results have been nil. We're still at the same poverty rate that we were in 1968. But President Johnson underestimated himself a bit when he said he would have the blacks voting Democrat for the next 50 years. It's been 652 years now but the curtain is finally being lifted and the BLEXIT movement is gaining momentum. For the sake of black Americans, I sincerely hope that movement continues to grow.

Also who cares what the Democrats are trying to push in efforts to get the black vote. If the guy hadn’t been killed brutally along with many other examples over the last few months then it’s not a story. Doesn’t matter what side you’re on if their aren’t examples then this wouldn’t have gone anywhere.