There's No Difference Between Supporting Segregation and Supporting Vaccine Passports

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  • thomorino
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    • 06-01-17
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    #1
    There's No Difference Between Supporting Segregation and Supporting Vaccine Passports
    The Left wants to force everyone to comply with government mandates even though there is zero science behind vaccine mandates or using vaccine passports, since the vaccine obviously doesn't keep anyone from getting covid anyways, it does a great job of keeping people from being hospitalized or worse.

    Everyone will get exposed to covid at some point, there is zero science behind denying access to anywhere simply because they aren't vaccinated. If you are vaccinated you should not care if someone else is unvaccinated and everyone in the US who wants to get vaccinated has had that opportunity at this point. Many people also have natural immunity since they have already had or been exposed to Covid so they don't want the vaccine.

    People on the left have lots of supposedly nice reasons why they want to create a 2 tier society where some people are denied access to places and facilities, just as segregationists in the South during the Jim Crow era tried had nice sounding explanations like trying to keep the races from fighting and maintain public order. The reality is when you deny a certain class or type of people access to facilities that most of the public has access to your actions are communicating that those type of people are lesser than or not worthy of the facilities that you are keeping open to the rest of the public.

    Denying access to unvaccinated people creates the idea that those people are lesser than or undesirable in the same way de jure and de facto segregation in the South and sometimes in the North created that impression in the Jim Crow era. There is no difference. People who support segregation always have nice sounding rationales for their actions, their actions are still wrong.
  • juicername
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    #2
    Wrong.
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    • pavyracer
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      #3
      Is having smoke free restaurants seggregation? This is a health issue.
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      • thomorino
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        #4
        Originally posted by pavyracer
        Is having smoke free restaurants seggregation? This is a health issue.
        That is different because no one is denied access to a restaurant because of their smoking habits, they are asked not to smoke once inside the restaurant. Nobody is denied entry to a restaurant under are smoking laws, they are just asked not to smoke well inside since second hand smoke hurts people.

        Unvaccinated people are not a unique threat or harmful to society in anyway, people can get and spread the virus whether they are vaccinated or not.
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        • pavyracer
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          #5
          It's the same thing. Restaurants are asking unvaccinated people to show vaccination cards to dine in or order to go or delivery. They have options just like smokers.
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          • thomorino
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            #6
            Originally posted by pavyracer
            It's the same thing. Restaurants are asking unvaccinated people to show vaccination cards to dine in or order to go or delivery. They have options just like smokers.
            Its not the same thing, nobody is denied entry for being a smoker, they just aren't asked to smoke
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            • pavyracer
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              • 04-12-07
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              #7
              Nobody is denying service to the unvaccinated. They just can't eat the food in the dining area. Order delivery or pick up to go.
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              • thomorino
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                #8
                Originally posted by pavyracer
                Nobody is denying service to the unvaccinated. They just can't eat the food in the dining area. Order delivery or pick up to go.
                Saying you can't eat in a restaurant is the definition of denying service
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                • Optional
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                  • 06-10-10
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                  #9
                  We had to show proof of vaccination to get into non-essential places for a period of time, whilst time was bought to get everyone vaccinated.

                  I agree that it's too much to ask as a long term plan, but was justified as a short term measure.
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                  • JacketFan81
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                    • 10-28-17
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by thomorino
                    Saying you can't eat in a restaurant is the definition of denying service
                    I can't believe it, but I agree Morino. His argument is the very definition of "separate but equal" that our country did away with decades ago. "Oh sure! You can eat our food! Just do it outside... Or at your house. We don't want you in here!!!" It's mind-numbing that people can't see this. It's so obvious.
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                    • thomorino
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Optional
                      We had to show proof of vaccination to get into non-essential places for a period of time, whilst time was bought to get everyone vaccinated.

                      I agree that it's too much to ask as a long term plan, but was justified as a short term measure.
                      There is no scientific basis for denying service to people who are unvaccinated, it's just a way to shame people into conforming with getting government policies
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                      • d2bets
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by thomorino
                        The Left wants to force everyone to comply with government mandates even though there is zero science behind vaccine mandates or using vaccine passports, since the vaccine obviously doesn't keep anyone from getting covid anyways, it does a great job of keeping people from being hospitalized or worse.

                        Everyone will get exposed to covid at some point, there is zero science behind denying access to anywhere simply because they aren't vaccinated. If you are vaccinated you should not care if someone else is unvaccinated and everyone in the US who wants to get vaccinated has had that opportunity at this point. Many people also have natural immunity since they have already had or been exposed to Covid so they don't want the vaccine.

                        People on the left have lots of supposedly nice reasons why they want to create a 2 tier society where some people are denied access to places and facilities, just as segregationists in the South during the Jim Crow era tried had nice sounding explanations like trying to keep the races from fighting and maintain public order. The reality is when you deny a certain class or type of people access to facilities that most of the public has access to your actions are communicating that those type of people are lesser than or not worthy of the facilities that you are keeping open to the rest of the public.

                        Denying access to unvaccinated people creates the idea that those people are lesser than or undesirable in the same way de jure and de facto segregation in the South and sometimes in the North created that impression in the Jim Crow era. There is no difference. People who support segregation always have nice sounding rationales for their actions, their actions are still wrong.
                        Southern segregation was based on skin color over which one has no choice. Vaccine is based on a choice that anyone can make. Shitty failed analogy. Try harder.
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                        • thomorino
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by d2bets
                          Southern segregation was based on skin color over which one has no choice. Vaccine is based on a choice that anyone can make. Shitty failed analogy. Try harder.
                          Your argument is horrendous. You are arguing its okay to segregate society if you do it based on choice. There are many young women who are pregnant or planning to get pregnant that don't want to get the vaccine before they have kids because of unknowns.

                          Segregation is wrong, whether its based on choice, skin color, or any other bullshit criteria.
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                          • thomorino
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Optional
                            We had to show proof of vaccination to get into non-essential places for a period of time, whilst time was bought to get everyone vaccinated.

                            I agree that it's too much to ask as a long term plan, but was justified as a short term measure.
                            Every single measure the left has tried to justify as a short-term measure has become a long-term measure. Masks, shutdowns, many other examples. Segregation is never okay, short-term or long-term.
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                            • VeggieDog
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                              #15
                              Tough day for the Nazis. Supremes dropped Sleepy46's corporate vax mandate and Canada dropped their truck driver mandate.
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                              • d2bets
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by thomorino
                                Your argument is horrendous. You are arguing its okay to segregate society if you do it based on choice. There are many young women who are pregnant or planning to get pregnant that don't want to get the vaccine before they have kids because of unknowns.

                                Segregation is wrong, whether its based on choice, skin color, or any other bullshit criteria.
                                I didn't say that. I just said it was a failed analogy, because it is.

                                If you can't segregate based on choices, then how do you explain prison? Are you against prison too? Surely that's segregation, is it not? Pretty much textbook definition of it.
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                                • thomorino
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by d2bets
                                  I didn't say that. I just said it was a failed analogy, because it is.
                                  Saying something doesn't make it true. Separate is inherently unequal, it was 50 years ago, and it is today.
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                                  • Optional
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                                    • 06-10-10
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by thomorino

                                    Every single measure the left has tried to justify as a short-term measure has become a long-term measure. Masks, shutdowns, many other examples. Segregation is never okay, short-term or long-term.
                                    Didn't happen here.

                                    State govt said they would last until Dec 2021 and its been pretty much do as you please inside the state since then.
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                                    • Optional
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                                      • 06-10-10
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by thomorino
                                      There is no scientific basis for denying service to people who are unvaccinated

                                      Originally posted by thomorino
                                      Saying something doesn't make it true.
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                                      • Optional
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                                        • 06-10-10
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                                        #20
                                        Not that a private business needs to have a scientific basis to legally enforce their own policies.
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                                        • pavyracer
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                                          #21
                                          The restaurant owner is the boss that makes the rules as he is paying the bills and payroll. They pay health insurance and have to make sure employees do not get sick so the business can function. Not allowing people in who are a risk to staff's health or other patrons is not segregation policy.
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                                          • Optional
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                                            • 06-10-10
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                                            #22
                                            My sister-in-law is undergoing cancer treatment and has been told her immunity is severely compromized and she should do all she can to avoid any sort of infection.


                                            Should she not be allowed to be in her own restaurant business because you think you have some god given right that over rides her choices on her own property?

                                            Or does it simply not matter if she dies to you, as she probably will anyway soon?


                                            Here's another one for you Thomorino.

                                            if you acted like a dickhead and refused to show you were vaxed or masked or whatever was required and came in anyway and refused to leave, would my brother be out of line to knock you out and drag you out of there to stop you purposely endangering his wife's life?

                                            If it was in Texas, does he have the right to shoot you dead for trying to kill his wife on their property?

                                            I wonder if he would wait and listen to you telling him there is no scientific basis to refuse you service in that restaurant! lol


                                            Gawd damn a Bill of Rights just gives complete oysters the excuse to act like complete oysters, even when they don't even have those rights on other people's property.

                                            Worst thing that ever happened to America. Will be the ruin of the country in the end Too many Thomorinos in the world to confer privileges as rights to all.
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                                            • thomorino
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Optional
                                              My sister-in-law is undergoing cancer treatment and has been told her immunity is severely compromized and she should do all she can to avoid any sort of infection.


                                              Should she not be allowed to be in her own restaurant business because you think you have some god given right that over rides her choices on her own property?

                                              Or does it simply not matter if she dies to you, as she probably will anyway soon?


                                              Here's another one for you Thomorino.

                                              if you acted like a dickhead and refused to show you were vaxed or masked or whatever was required and came in anyway and refused to leave, would my brother be out of line to knock you out and drag you out of there to stop you purposely endangering his wife's life?

                                              If it was in Texas, does he have the right to shoot you dead for trying to kill his wife on their property?

                                              I wonder if he would wait and listen to you telling him there is no scientific basis to refuse you service in that restaurant! lol


                                              Gawd damn a Bill of Rights just gives complete oysters the excuse to act like complete oysters, even when they don't even have those rights on other people's property.

                                              Worst thing that ever happened to America. Will be the ruin of the country in the end Too many Thomorinos in the world to confer privileges as rights to all.
                                              I have no issue with private business requiring actions on their properties, i.e. asking people not to smoke or asking people to wear a mask. I have no issue with private business requiring certain behavior to be on their premise. I am against discrimination and segregation, which are one in the same. Private business refusing to allow people who are vaccinated on their property is discrimination, asking people on their property to not smoke or wear a mask is not discrimination. Discrimination against people based on race, age, ethnicity, gender, or any other criteria, such as vaccination status, is wrong.

                                              Again, their is no scientific basis for not allowing vaccinated people on your property anyways. The Vaccine is great at keeping people who get covid from being hospitalized or worse, vaccination does not prevent people from getting covid, and everyone not living under a rock will get exposed to covid at some point, it is inevitable.
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                                              • thomorino
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                The restaurant owner is the boss that makes the rules as he is paying the bills and payroll. They pay health insurance and have to make sure employees do not get sick so the business can function. Not allowing people in who are a risk to staff's health or other patrons is not segregation policy.
                                                Wrong, private businesses are prohibited under the 14th amendment equal protection clause and the 5th amendment's due process provisions from discriminating based on race, religion, ethnicity, gender, and other criteria. Vaccination status should be treated the same.
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                                                • thomorino
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Optional
                                                  Not that a private business needs to have a scientific basis to legally enforce their own policies.
                                                  True but in the US private businesses open to the public cannot discriminate based on race, religion, gender, ethnicity, or other criteria. Vaccination status should be included on that list.
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                                                  • thomorino
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Optional
                                                    Didn't happen here.

                                                    State govt said they would last until Dec 2021 and its been pretty much do as you please inside the state since then.
                                                    Djokavic would disagree with you.
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                                                    • edawg
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by VeggieDog
                                                      Tough day for the Nazis. Supremes dropped Sleepy46's corporate vax mandate and Canada dropped their truck driver mandate.
                                                      Corporate Vax mandate ruling is meaningless and can actually be counterproductive. Remember back when all this nonsense started and who was forced to close and who was allowed to stay open and given 100's upon 100's of millions to support getting their workers jabbed. Same thing with the school boards and the hospitals.
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                                                      • Optional
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                                                        • 06-10-10
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by thomorino

                                                        I have no issue with private business requiring actions on their properties, i.e. asking people not to smoke or asking people to wear a mask. I have no issue with private business requiring certain behavior to be on their premise. I am against discrimination and segregation, which are one in the same. Private business refusing to allow people who are vaccinated on their property is discrimination, asking people on their property to not smoke or wear a mask is not discrimination. Discrimination against people based on race, age, ethnicity, gender, or any other criteria, such as vaccination status, is wrong.

                                                        Again, their is no scientific basis for not allowing vaccinated people on your property anyways. The Vaccine is great at keeping people who get covid from being hospitalized or worse, vaccination does not prevent people from getting covid, and everyone not living under a rock will get exposed to covid at some point, it is inevitable.
                                                        Ok, so in my example should my sister in law have a right to 'discriminate' against you?

                                                        Do you have the right to prevent her from operating her business?

                                                        Oysters with "rights" ruin it for all. They only want their own yet want to ignore others "rights".
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                                                        • thomorino
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Optional
                                                          Ok, so in my example should my sister in law have a right to 'discriminate' against you?

                                                          Do you have the right to prevent her from operating her business?

                                                          Oysters with "rights" ruin it for all. They only want their own yet want to ignore others "rights".
                                                          Disagree, rights is a way of letting government know we have rights as human being and no matter who in power they can't take them away. Privileges can be taken away, rights cannot.

                                                          The example of you sister-in-law proves my point. People can spread covid whether or not they are vaccinated, denying service to unvaccinated people may make people feel good but it doesn't anyone since we know vaccinates people can get and spread covid.

                                                          If someone is so sick or vulnerable that contracting covid could be a death sentence then Amy disease or virus including the flu could kill them, denying people who aren't vaccinated service when vaccinated people can get and spread covid is not the answer.

                                                          Again, there is no scientific basis for denying service to unvaccinated people, everyone will get a exposed to covid at some point
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                                                          • thomorino
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Optional
                                                            Ok, so in my example should my sister in law have a right to 'discriminate' against you?

                                                            Do you have the right to prevent her from operating her business?

                                                            Oysters with "rights" ruin it for all. They only want their own yet want to ignore others "rights".
                                                            Countries that don't have rights are completely dependent on government for their fre Edina, as we are seeing in Australia, that doesn't work.

                                                            Eighths don't mean you don't care or look out for other people, that is common decency, rights are a way of reminding the government that are rights don't come from them.
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                                                            • thomorino
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Optional
                                                              My sister-in-law is undergoing cancer treatment and has been told her immunity is severely compromized and she should do all she can to avoid any sort of infection.


                                                              Should she not be allowed to be in her own restaurant business because you think you have some god given right that over rides her choices on her own property?

                                                              Or does it simply not matter if she dies to you, as she probably will anyway soon?


                                                              Here's another one for you Thomorino.

                                                              if you acted like a dickhead and refused to show you were vaxed or masked or whatever was required and came in anyway and refused to leave, would my brother be out of line to knock you out and drag you out of there to stop you purposely endangering his wife's life?

                                                              If it was in Texas, does he have the right to shoot you dead for trying to kill his wife on their property?

                                                              I wonder if he would wait and listen to you telling him there is no scientific basis to refuse you service in that restaurant! lol


                                                              Gawd damn a Bill of Rights just gives complete oysters the excuse to act like complete oysters, even when they don't even have those rights on other people's property.

                                                              Worst thing that ever happened to America. Will be the ruin of the country in the end Too many Thomorinos in the world to confer privileges as rights to all.
                                                              If a business is not ooen to the public they don't have to worry about anti discrimination laws or course, Ina democratic society businesses open to the public should not discriminate and banning unvaccinated people has no scientific basis anyways.
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                                                              • Vyasports
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by thomorino
                                                                Disagree, rights is a way of letting government know we have rights as human being and no matter who in power they can't take them away. Privileges can be taken away, rights cannot.

                                                                The example of you sister-in-law proves my point. People can spread covid whether or not they are vaccinated, denying service to unvaccinated people may make people feel good but it doesn't anyone since we know vaccinates people can get and spread covid.

                                                                If someone is so sick or vulnerable that contracting covid could be a death sentence then Amy disease or virus including the flu could kill them, denying people who aren't vaccinated service when vaccinated people can get and spread covid is not the answer.

                                                                Again, there is no scientific basis for denying service to unvaccinated people, everyone will get a exposed to covid at some point
                                                                Agree.
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                                                                • hehfest
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Well Moronelli, I'd have to say that it should be up to the business. If that guvahment gets involved (since we don't need one anymore), then that's where I have a problem. People want their business to not allow unmasked but its not from the guvahment, then that's fine. If a business will not allow people in WITH a mask on, then they should have that right to then. Yes, its a method of segregation. How else can you really see it. At that point, hey, Moronelli, I don't like the way you look, or I think you're a phagot; you're not allowed in. Oh wait, are you white? No eating in the black people SOUL food restaurant either. Oh wait, do white people do that on their own?

                                                                  This COVID has been used to divide and confuse the population of the whole world for reasons not known to us, but I think most of us might have an idea what they are trying to do.
                                                                  Last edited by hehfest; 01-14-22, 01:47 AM.
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                                                                  • MinnesotaFats
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Optional
                                                                    We had to show proof of vaccination to get into non-essential places for a period of time, whilst time was bought to get everyone vaccinated.

                                                                    I agree that it's too much to ask as a long term plan, but was justified as a short term measure.
                                                                    Government never rolls back, it changes the definition.

                                                                    They'll change the definition of vaxxed

                                                                    They'll change the defined job of OSHA

                                                                    They'll change the parameters of Executive Orders

                                                                    They'll tie strings to every dollar they redistribute to compel compliance

                                                                    Why are people so nice towards Government when there hasn't been 1 Government in the history of the world that hasn't oppressed or taxed its civilians to death eventually. Not 1 Government has ever survived without a Civil War tearing it apart over said Government changing the rules mid stream.

                                                                    Even the 1st two USA Government, the Articles & the Antebellum, were tore apart by progressives changing the rules & definitions of life, liberty and happiness as well as the underlying work of the many congresses.
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                                                                    • d2bets
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by thomorino
                                                                      Disagree, rights is a way of letting government know we have rights as human being and no matter who in power they can't take them away. Privileges can be taken away, rights cannot.

                                                                      The example of you sister-in-law proves my point. People can spread covid whether or not they are vaccinated, denying service to unvaccinated people may make people feel good but it doesn't anyone since we know vaccinates people can get and spread covid.

                                                                      If someone is so sick or vulnerable that contracting covid could be a death sentence then Amy disease or virus including the flu could kill them, denying people who aren't vaccinated service when vaccinated people can get and spread covid is not the answer.

                                                                      Again, there is no scientific basis for denying service to unvaccinated people, everyone will get a exposed to covid at some point
                                                                      If there was a scientific basis, then would the "segregation" be OK? I thought you said segregation was never OK.
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