Bayern Munchen ML +234 & pk and +0.5 -109

**Dark Horse** · 03-29-10, 11:31 PM

I tend to agree. I don't see Manu winning in Germany. They'll be happy with a draw. The win in Italy over AC Milan doesn't suddenly set a new standard, nor is United a miracle team. I think they're overrated because of the game in Milan.

**theplagy** · 03-29-10, 11:34 PM

Definitely hard to bet against Man U these days. Man U will have Rooney and Rio back. Bayern, however, is in a 0-9 ATS slump of its own right now. Don't really know what the fu*k they were doing this weekend neither. They managed to somehow lose to Stuttgart at home and allowed Schalke to take the lead in a game that really mattered. Basically, they are worthless without Ribery and Robben. If you're backing Bayern let's hope that Ribery and Robben are back and ready to go.

**hedgejob** · 03-29-10, 11:40 PM

I read Ribery will play but Robben is unknown. I would wait to see if Robben plays before taking Bayern. So many said Lyon can't beat Madrid at home. This is Champions League.

**905prodigy** · 03-29-10, 11:41 PM

I'm watching Sky Sports News right now and they just said Robben as well as Ribery are Doubtful.. Would this affect your play LB?

**rfr3sh** · 03-29-10, 11:52 PM

COD

**Sportslover** · 03-30-10, 12:29 AM

Good luck lakerboy, I tend to agree that Milan was a weaker opponent that didn't suit Man Utd's style of play, Bayern will be a much tougher proposition, particularly in the away game in Germany. I think people might be putting too much emphasis on Man Utd due to their win in Milan and I think Man Utd will settle for a draw in Munich. Definately think there's a good chance of a draw in this match so I'm liking Bayern Munich pk and +0.5. I got this line at -110 a bit earlier.

**Giuvara** · 03-30-10, 12:49 AM

Bayern won't win this game.They could grab a draw,but more likely MU will win.Robben doubtful,Schweinsteiger missing,Ribery not top fit,forwards totally out of form(Klose just awful,Gomez just recovered from injury),how won Earth should they get a result here?Their only shot is a good defense and an inform HJ Butt.Therefore i see United pk and an under but with small stakes.

**AsRequested** · 03-30-10, 01:06 AM

If Bayern had bad results in the Bundesliga they usually come back with a strong CL performance. ManU suits them better than an italian team, so i'm playing Bayern pk and if Robben will surprisingly play it would be Bayern ML for me as well.

**varin18** · 03-30-10, 01:09 AM

If mr Ovebro won't (and of course not) be the ref, I cannot see MUTD losing...there is a big difference in quality between these two teams

**Domestic** · 03-30-10, 01:35 AM

Can't bet against Fergie but I do like your thinking LB.

**dmiles1021** · 03-30-10, 01:55 AM

what about the over under 2.5??

**fixxer** · 03-30-10, 02:28 AM

u/o? I'd rather go with the over, as I see the home side scoring - but MU will win - my guess is: 1:2

**Ace_of_Spades** · 03-30-10, 02:45 AM

gl

**RockyS** · 03-30-10, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by dmiles1021

what about the over under 2.5??

This is hard to bet, Bayern will probably score, but the question is how many times will Manchester score? I'm thinking if Man will score first then the result will be 0:1 or 0:2 but if they will have luck on their side then they could score even 3 or 4 times, also don't forget that Bayern will score one, if they will have full squad, I think it's best to wait for last minute infos.

**Goat Milk** · 03-30-10, 03:15 AM

No Ribery, Robin, Shwine? Pass for me...

**Sanka** · 03-30-10, 03:20 AM

Don't see Bayern getting away with anything here tbh.

They'd have a hard enough time with both Ribery and Robben in the team, but it's not very likely van Gaal will play them both. While Ribery has a pretty good chance of returning in the starting line-up after coming on from the bench last weekend (even though he's still not at full fitness), van Gaal was quoted as saying he won't play Robben unless he's 100% fit. With the muscle problems he's been having lately (and his history with these problems) I think it's most likely van Gaal will rest him for the game against Schalke this weekend.

On the other side Rooney and Ferdinand are set to make a return which will be a boost for the already in form Utd team.

I'll wait untill the starting line-ups are announced, but if Bayern are without even one of their two star players I'll take Man U ML.
If van Gaal will play them both I'll probably take the DNB option for Man U.

**Dark Horse** · 03-30-10, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by Domestic

Can't bet against Fergie but I do like your thinking LB.

Van Gaal is a tactical genius. Fifteen years ago, when he was with Ajax, I read a series of articles where he described each position on the field, the precise tasks of each player, and how it related to the tasks of the other players. Unbelievable clarity. And because he was able to teach it with the same clarity Ajax won the CL undefeated that season. Without real international superstars (other than, perhaps, Rijkaard).

He just started at Bayern, and was almost out after a rough start (conflicts with Luca Toni and Ribery). This quarter final may come a little too early. The real results of his method will be seen next season. Still, if it was just about coaches, Bayern would be favored to win the whole thing.

Robben has already characterized Manchester as a one-man team. And he's right. Take out Rooney and what is left? I would be surprised if Van Gaal didn't find a way to neutralize Rooney.

**ararat2010** · 03-30-10, 03:56 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Van Gaal is a tactical genius. Fifteen years ago, when he was with Ajax, I read a series of articles where he described each position on the field, the precise tasks of each player, and how it related to the tasks of the other players. Unbelievable clarity. And because he was able to teach it with the same clarity Ajax won the CL undefeated that season. Without real international superstars (other than, perhaps, Rijkaard).

He just started at Bayern, and was almost out after a rough start (conflicts with Luca Toni and Ribery). This quarter final may come a little too early. The real results of his method will be seen next season. Still, if it was just about coaches, Bayern would be favored to win the whole thing.

Robben has already characterized Manchester as a one-man team. And he's right. Take out Rooney and what is left? I would be surprised if Van Gaal didn't find a way to neutralize Rooney.

nice write-up, I partly agree with u, that Bayern will have a lot of chances to win this game, and dont underestimate them at home, odds are telling me more value on them, but i still believe that MU will qualify even if they'll lose this leg

**JOHON8** · 03-30-10, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Robben has already characterized Manchester as a one-man team. And he's right. Take out Rooney and what is left? I would be surprised if Van Gaal didn't find a way to neutralize Rooney.

They won 4-0 on the weekend away from home without Rooney.

Bayern need this, but I'm not betting against United after seeing the line ups, GL guys.

**Czu81** · 03-30-10, 04:07 AM

Originally posted by Giuvara

Bayern won't win this game.They could grab a draw,but more likely MU will win.Robben doubtful,Schweinsteiger missing,Ribery not top fit,forwards totally out of form(Klose just awful,Gomez just recovered from injury),how won Earth should they get a result here?Their only shot is a good defense and an inform HJ Butt.Therefore i see United pk and an under but with small stakes.

If you are confident why small stakes?

Bayern will win this.

**Sportslover** · 03-30-10, 04:14 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Van Gaal is a tactical genius. Fifteen years ago, when he was with Ajax, I read a series of articles where he described each position on the field, the precise tasks of each player, and how it related to the tasks of the other players. Unbelievable clarity. And because he was able to teach it with the same clarity Ajax won the CL undefeated that season. Without real international superstars (other than, perhaps, Rijkaard).

He just started at Bayern, and was almost out after a rough start (conflicts with Luca Toni and Ribery). This quarter final may come a little too early. The real results of his method will be seen next season. Still, if it was just about coaches, Bayern would be favored to win the whole thing.

Robben has already characterized Manchester as a one-man team. And he's right. Take out Rooney and what is left? I would be surprised if Van Gaal didn't find a way to neutralize Rooney.

A bit off topic but I also share a massive respect for Louis Van Gaal. Have you read The Coaching Philosophies of Louis Van Gaal and the Ajax Coaches? It's a terrific read and I would thoroughly recommend it.

That Ajax team that won the European Cup was full of young, upcoming stars at the time and most of them went on to play for the biggest club sides in Europe, in their future footballing careers.

The starting lineup from memory was:

1. van der Sar (goalkeeper)
2. Reiziger (right/central defender)
3. Blind (central defender)
4. Rijkaard (central defender/defensive midfielder)
5. F. de Boer (left/central defender)
6. Seedorf (right/central midfielder)
7. Finidi (right winger)
8. Davids (left/central midfielder)
9. R. de Boer (central striker)
10. Litmanen (central midfielder/attacking midfielder)
11. Overmars (left winger)

It was a flexible 4-3-3/3-4-3 and it was simply beautiful to watch!!!

Players like Kluivert, Kanu and Bogarde were also on the bench. I remember being devastated when some of these Ajax stars started to leave the club, think Davids and Reiziger were the first to leave....this was one of my favourite all time teams and it was so disappointing to see this team break up, they could have been legends together for a whole decade in European competition. But I suppose money talks, so they left Ajax.....

**Stifler** · 03-30-10, 05:04 AM

manu will atleast get a draw here. Robben (if he wont play) and Schweinsteiger are 2 very important players for bayern and ribery isnt at his best atm.

**Nyphra** · 03-30-10, 05:30 AM

Since robben is doubtful i'm not betting on it. He is just too important and without him I don't see them winning really.

**LinWin** · 03-30-10, 05:42 AM

I have put my money on Over 2.5 goals. I think it's going to be close..
Good luck and enjoy the match !

**Ace_of_Spades** · 03-30-10, 06:02 AM

Nice read there DH.

**Sforz** · 03-30-10, 06:07 AM

great info in this thread guys.

This is not a game I would like to have a lot of money on, think it could go both ways. Honestly think people taking a side might be forcing action. If one of the two are out for Bayern, I would lean Man U. Otherwise, just sit back and enjoy what should be a solid game.

**JOHON8** · 03-30-10, 06:13 AM

The only reason I hope Bayern win is so that the value on United qualifying goes up.

**BetfairUser** · 03-30-10, 07:48 AM

I reallllly can't see man u losing this one, there's just no stopping rooney at the moment, and robben would obviously be a huge loss for bayern. 2.56 is generous in my opinion for a man u win and i'll defo be taking it. Just so you know i DESPISE man u so i'm not being biased.

**obie** · 03-30-10, 08:45 AM

IF united should lose this game, its gonna be on a VERY lucky goal! You know, those goals who hits 3 or 4 legs, and then goes into goal! No way bayern can play around with united, and with rooney in TOPFORM, I can only see this going one way! United will control this match, but maybe they can conceed 1 or 2 LUCKY goals. Cant see bayern score on united els.

**Tommy_de1st** · 03-30-10, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by lakerboy

So pk and +0.5 -109 is the bigger play and ml +234 is half that play.

Man United has been playing great lately and its very hard for me to go against them but I do things my own way and what i have seen since this line came out tells me i am making the right plays here. AC Milan was a weak opponent for UTD style of game and despite that they had the chances to bury utd in leg 1 in the opening minutes if you all remember . Munuch has some issues but at home im backing them.

Bayern is even weaker than Milan.
Having said that I honestly dont think United will score more goals than they did against Milan

but there`s no bet for me at all.
I never bet against teams close to my heart and Man United is very much so.
If I did it`d be a draw, probably exact score will be 1:1

But I respect your play LB and GL ... with NBA tonight

**RedDevil11** · 03-30-10, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Van Gaal is a tactical genius. Fifteen years ago, when he was with Ajax, I read a series of articles where he described each position on the field, the precise tasks of each player, and how it related to the tasks of the other players. Unbelievable clarity. And because he was able to teach it with the same clarity Ajax won the CL undefeated that season. Without real international superstars (other than, perhaps, Rijkaard).

He just started at Bayern, and was almost out after a rough start (conflicts with Luca Toni and Ribery). This quarter final may come a little too early. The real results of his method will be seen next season. Still, if it was just about coaches, Bayern would be favored to win the whole thing.

Robben has already characterized Manchester as a one-man team. And he's right. Take out Rooney and what is left? I would be surprised if Van Gaal didn't find a way to neutralize Rooney.

Yep, you're right...Rooney defends from the back, dribbles down the wings and manages to cross the ball to himself. Most ridiculous statement...plus Ribery made the quote. If United were a one man team, you're saying we beat Bolton 4-0 with no one. Rooney wasn't dressed remember. Just like those wums who said we were a one man team when we had Ronaldo, but he left and we're still top of the table and contending for the CL. Yes, he's instrumental for our club and he scores big goals (that's what he's paid to do as our striker) but he's not our whole team.

Maybe you should ask yourself...take out Robben and Ribery what have you got???

**Karayilan9** · 03-30-10, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Robben has already characterized Manchester as a one-man team. And he's right. Take out Rooney and what is left? I would be surprised if Van Gaal didn't find a way to neutralize Rooney.

Van Gaal is a good manager but Alex is the master.

Don't take much notice of Robben, he should take a good look in the mirror after coming out with such ridiculous statements. He obviously hasn't watched Man U if he thinks this and they can't afford to take this team lightly they will get so badly punished they would wish they never got this far.

Bayern are just a big name these days, Robben and Ribbery are not fit and if they play won't be 100%.

**lakerboy** · 03-30-10, 09:22 AM

Judging from the feedback i assume this game has already been played and man u won 3-0 correct.

**waco66** · 03-30-10, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by lakerboy

Judging from the feedback i assume this game has already been played and man u won 3-0 correct.

lol, just some healthy discussion. I am on United PK myself so I'll be on the otherside.

But what worries me is a lot of money is coming on Bayern. So who knows...thats why they play the game. Some of us will look smart..others not. Good to see everyone on this forum not agree all the time. It just bad when some people just plain out say they are right instead of giving information backing their case.

Goodluck to everyone (except those on Bayern

).