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**bitisorin** · 12-01-12, 09:26 AM

The reaction of SBR? Ladbrokes,Bet365 and Willhill are indeed A bookies???

**danyel** · 12-01-12, 10:12 AM

That list needs some serious revision
I can confirm Ladbrokes limits the players from the start to 1%
Bet365 have illegal practices , like refusing players withdrawal untill you send pics with id in hand, birth certificate copies etc.
WillHill will not limit you immediately but will limit all female customers to 40% from the start

**Justin7** · 12-01-12, 10:16 AM

All of those books a re financially sound, and don't cheat players.

How fast a book limits a player is unrelated to its A rating.

**danyel** · 12-01-12, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Justin7

All of those books a re financially sound, and don't cheat players.

How fast a book limits a player is unrelated to its A rating.

Then Bet365 shouldn't be there higher then Bwin

**danyel** · 12-01-12, 10:34 AM

I want to ask Justin how can a bookmaker who mocks their customers, illegally freeze their winnings until they comply with every demeaning requests Bet365 asks

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/2015832-id-verification-nonsense.html

**allin1** · 12-01-12, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by danyel

I want to ask Justin how can a bookmaker who mocks their customers, illegally freeze their winnings until they comply with every demeaning requests Bet365 asks
http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...-nonsense.html

most books say in their terms and conditions that they can do that if you don't provide in the first place the necessary documents for id verification. it's not their fault that most customers don't even read the terms before betting. you would be amazed of how many fraud attempts these guys deal with. they really have no choice but to act this way. provide the documents, prove you are not a fraudster and you will be fine.

**tyson895** · 12-01-12, 12:30 PM

365 is a joke. I deposited over $12,000 in a year and a half without making a withdrawal, pretty sure they pay for the "A" rating. Then when I started to win and wanted to make a withdrawal, they asked for passport number, photo id and a copy of a utility bill. I complied with everything, made the withdrawal, received funds quickly, then they limited my account to the point where it is a waste of time to wager there. I can't even get an answer why I was limited other than:

Thank you for your response regarding your account.

I can confirm that the changes to your account have been made due to a decision made by our Trading Analysis team, who review all accounts regularly.

Unfortunately I would not be able to give detailed or exact reasons as to why the decision has been made by our Trading Analysis team although I can assure you that the decision has only been made after an extensive review of your account.

I appreciate that due to the changes that have been made to your account that you may not be able to stake as much as you would like on certain selections, however this has been decided by our Trading Analysis team that this is the best way to manage your business.

They only want losers action. I'm using willhill now and was quickly limited from $2000 wagers to $500, which is still okay. I also have been using pinny for the last 13 years and they are top notch, never limited. Only complaint is they don't have a customer service phone number.

**allin1** · 12-01-12, 02:18 PM

tyson895, b365 is a recreational book. they don't like big winners or anyone who seems to have an edge on them. they reserve the right to not take your action if they don't want it

**tto827** · 12-01-12, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by allin1

most books say in their terms and conditions that they can do that if you don't provide in the first place the necessary documents for id verification. it's not their fault that most customers don't even read the terms before betting. you would be amazed of how many fraud attempts these guys deal with. they really have no choice but to act this way. provide the documents, prove you are not a fraudster and you will be fine.

Thank you! Wish others had the minimal common sense to realize that also.

**bitisorin** · 12-01-12, 03:45 PM

The fact is those bookies are giving money to SBR for those ratings.This is the truth!Justin,please see my first post here and tell me about the reviews of that bookies.You said about Willhill that don't limits its customers and about Ladbrokes:""Ladbrokes is an excellent choice for bettors of all sizes and backgrounds".What a joke

.And you said about Bet365: "The gaming platform satisfies recreational and professional sports handicappers alike."

Please answer me,Justin,I want your position here and maybe Bill Dozer will tel us what is the cost for this tricky ratings ans reviews.
The financial stability is the only factor in your ratings???

**Bill Dozer** · 12-01-12, 05:03 PM

Bet365 has the world's best in-game betting platform. They take as many bets through it as they do regular bets. They could actually take only live betting and still be one of the biggest and profitable.

Regarding risk mgt. if you are posting in a forum you are going to know more than 99% of the bettors at 365. Most books do have limits so depending on who you are and what you know, your personal ratings are going to be obviously different. For some, betfair, SBObet and Pinnacle are the only A rated bookies.

**allin1** · 12-01-12, 06:19 PM

Justin7 considers betfair at C rating... I would rather consider betdaq rated at A, I don't know why they are not ratd at sbr. They are growing, 40% more volume on tennis than last year, but the most important fact: low commission and more safe than almost any other book.

**bitisorin** · 12-02-12, 06:33 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

Bet365 has the world's best in-game betting platform. They take as many bets through it as they do regular bets. They could actually take only live betting and still be one of the biggest and profitable.

Regarding risk mgt. if you are posting in a forum you are going to know more than 99% of the bettors at 365. Most books do have limits so depending on who you are and what you know, your personal ratings are going to be obviously different. For some, betfair, SBObet and Pinnacle are the only A rated bookies.

You said only about Bet365,but what about Ladbrokes and Willhill???Please modify your reviews about this so called A rated bookies in order not to mislead your readers.From this three so called A rated Bet365,Willhill and Ladrbokes,Ladbrokes are the worst because they limit you immediately after opening the account.I know that they are very big,very solid,the money are safe there but you should consider more facts when you awarded this ratings.
Now the only factors for you is their financial stability and the money they are giving to you.

**bitisorin** · 12-02-12, 06:44 AM

Bill Dozer are you agree with me that you are misleading with that reviews?

"Ladbrokes is an excellent choice for bettors of all sizes and backgrounds"

What a lie.

Willhill-Limit Collars No

you are amusing me.

And about Bet365: "The gaming platform satisfies recreational and professional sports handicappers alike." what a stupid joke.

Bet365 for professionals???

I quoted from your reviews.What is your position here?

**BranchDavidian** · 12-02-12, 07:24 AM

It is beginning to look like their position is that they don't think anybody reads these reviews. A bunch of inaccurate information in the reviews must not hurt the bottom line. Everybody here knows all the British bookies limit, limit, and then limit some more immediately. I have been posting here for over two years now, and was a lurker for a couple years before that. SBR is invaluable to me. Yet, I too lose a lot of respect when obvious errors like this are pointed out and still the mods come in here to deflect from the question. Justin7 and BillDozer both come in here and acknowledge that these sites limit for risk management as they point out that the A-rating is for financial security --- while ignoring the fact that the reviews are flat-out false. It sounds like it is easier to talk around an issue rather than face it and fix it!

**YPS** · 12-02-12, 07:33 AM

Bet365 recognized arbitrage players very fast. Sometimes after only one bet.
I guess you want to make easy money with arbitrage (and bet365 as well as the other books you named are great for that) and now you are pissed because they limit you.
All my understanding for this, but this topic is 10 years old

**BranchDavidian** · 12-02-12, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by YPS

Bet365 recognized arbitrage players very fast. Sometimes after only one bet.
I guess you want to make easy money with arbitrage (and bet365 as well as the other books you named are great for that) and now you are pissed because they limit you.
All my understanding for this, but this topic is 10 years old

Correct, old news. Yet, the misinformation residing in the reviews is STILL wrong. IF I owned, or worked at, SBR and a poster came in and pointed out obvious errors such as this, I would thank that poster and find out how the misinformation got into my web site and get it corrected immediately. These errors were pointed out in the original post 5 days ago, and what has happened here? Two mods have responded by ignoring the fact that the reviews are false and patting the poor little poster on the head while murmuring ( it is ok, bitisorin, we know these darn sites have to protect themselves and at least, because of this they will be able to pay you ) very condescendingly.

**bitisorin** · 12-02-12, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by YPS

Bet365 recognized arbitrage players very fast. Sometimes after only one bet.
I guess you want to make easy money with arbitrage (and bet365 as well as the other books you named are great for that) and now you are pissed because they limit you.
All my understanding for this, but this topic is 10 years old

Are you awake??I think not...Where did you saw that this topis is 10 years old?Maybe you are 10 years old.
Bet365 and the other two books are great for arbitrage???How can you arb a book that limit you from the beginning(Ladbrokes).I let you try to arb this

Please grow up and keep your opinions for you.

**BranchDavidian** · 12-02-12, 08:11 AM

What YPS meant was that it has been common knowledge around here for years that the British sites limit quickly anyone with a clue. I see that you have been around for a while, so it is surprising that you are just discovering this. Bet365 would be a good site to use for arbitrage with the numbers that they post. I suppose that is why they need to limit everybody that actually uses those numbers. This topic has been hashed and rehashed on this site. What is new to me is someone pointing out that SBR reviews shows these sites as non-limiters. The mods in this thread have acknowledged the limiting, and have done so repeatedly elsewhere -- there is no question about that. When you point out these errors, I would expect a different response from SBR.

**bitisorin** · 12-02-12, 08:17 AM

You are right,BranchDavidian I am "old in betting" I know that,but YPS said:"I guess you want to make easy money with arbitrage (and bet365 as well as the other books you named are great for that) and now you are pissed because they limit you. ".

**allin1** · 12-02-12, 08:22 AM

only one in 200 bettors is expected to make oney in the long run from sports betting

if you are one of them why waste time with these ratings/reviews as these are books for recreational players with high juice. you should be busy making money elsewhere

if you are an arber you really shouldn't complain

if you have an edge and you are going to make money from betting you will find the best price 99% of the time at pinnacle, sbobet, betdaq, betfair or matchbook. you won't waste your time with these books or care about their rating/review

**BranchDavidian** · 12-02-12, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by allin1

only one in 200 bettors is expected to make oney in the long run from sports betting

if you are one of them why waste time with these ratings/reviews as these are books for recreational players with high juice. you should be busy making money elsewhere

if you are an arber you really shouldn't complain

if you have an edge and you are going to make money from betting you will find the best price 99% of the time at pinnacle, sbobet, betdaq, betfair or matchbook. you won't waste your time with these books or care about their rating/review

Perhaps SBR agrees with you! The point of all this bitching is that the reviews on SBR are full of false information. A poster has come here to point out that there is false information in the reviews. Instead of thanking the poster for pointing out this misinformation so that it can be corrected, the powers-that-be here at SBR respond by ignoring the fact that the reviews are false to point out that the book is financially stable --- while acknowledging the limiting ** which the reviews say doesn't happen** by pointing out that this limiting is risk management. So, rather than deflecting the thread to risk management, how about addressing the issue of misinformation?

**allin1** · 12-02-12, 10:21 AM

maybe those reviews are bought

sbr is a business not charity

**allin1** · 12-02-12, 10:34 AM

I use the the ratings to see which books are safe. On this matter I find sbr very usefull. Beside that it's up to me to go out there and try to make money. Books are there to take our money so I can always expect to be limited or kicked out if I have an edge. I couldn't care less of what the reviews say besides the facts regarding funds safety. As long as those facts are spot on, I don't complain.

If you want more info about books, you have the forum to ask for the opinion of other bettors who have played there.

**BranchDavidian** · 12-02-12, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by allin1

maybe those reviews are bought

sbr is a business not charity

I guess the point about SBR providing its members with false information does not concern you, or you missed the point? Of course SBR is a business. And a good business that wants to keep its customers will stop deflecting questions about errors when it discovers that it has made them, rather than try to ignore the questions from posters about these erroneous reviews.

**BranchDavidian** · 12-02-12, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by allin1

I use the the ratings to see which books are safe. On this matter I find sbr very usefull. Beside that it's up to me to go out there and try to make money. Books are there to take our money so I can always expect to be limited or kicked out if I have an edge. I couldn't care less of what the reviews say besides the facts regarding funds safety. As long as those facts are spot on, I don't complain.

If you want more info about books, you have the forum to ask for the opinion of other bettors who have played there.

So you are suggesting that we ignore whatever SBR has to say about any subject, and ask posters? Great idea. After coming to this site to get the facts, now we have to forget about what the "professional rater" says and pay attention to the mixed bag of half-truths from posters, much of which will be wrong. Wouldn't it be better if we could trust SBR? I hope you realize that if SBR can't be trusted to provide the truth in the reviews, that their ratings in regards to sportsbook safety are just as suspect.

**bitisorin** · 12-02-12, 11:07 AM

The fact is that SBR is receiving money for the ratings and is misleading us with fake infos in reviews and ratings!!!
I proved that Sbr lain us!

**allin1** · 12-02-12, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by BranchDavidian

I guess the point about SBR providing its members with false information does not concern you, or you missed the point? Of course SBR is a business. And a good business that wants to keep its customers will stop deflecting questions about errors when it discovers that it has made them, rather than try to ignore the questions from posters about these erroneous reviews.

my point was that the false information you are talking about is irrelevant.99% of bettors lose money so it doesn't matter to them that these books limit winners and arbers

the information about the safety of funds is accurate, and that imho is the only info that should really matter to anyone

**allin1** · 12-02-12, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by BranchDavidian

So you are suggesting that we ignore whatever SBR has to say about any subject, and ask posters? Great idea. After coming to this site to get the facts, now we have to forget about what the "professional rater" says and pay attention to the mixed bag of half-truths from posters, much of which will be wrong. Wouldn't it be better if we could trust SBR? I hope you realize that if SBR can't be trusted to provide the truth in the reviews, that their ratings in regards to sportsbook safety are just as suspect.

my suggestion was that if you want facts about the book (besides the safety of funds matter which is handled by sbr quite well), check the forum for opinions from bettors that have used that book. imho that info is more relevant than what sbr might have to say regarding limits, customer service and other details regarding the books.

**BranchDavidian** · 12-02-12, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

Bet365 has the world's best in-game betting platform. They take as many bets through it as they do regular bets. They could actually take only live betting and still be one of the biggest and profitable.

Regarding risk mgt. if you are posting in a forum you are going to know more than 99% of the bettors at 365. Most books do have limits so depending on who you are and what you know, your personal ratings are going to be obviously different. For some, betfair, SBObet and Pinnacle are the only A rated bookies.

Bill, do we care if SBR is giving out false information? The OP complains about your reviews being inaccurate. You respond to the OP by informing him that Bet365 is big and profitable, and stays that way by limiting players. This response only serves to confirm that, indeed, your reviews are false. Why does this not seem to be of any interest to SBR?

**BranchDavidian** · 12-02-12, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by allin1

my point was that the false information you are talking about is irrelevant.99% of bettors lose money so it doesn't matter to them that these books limit winners and arbers

the information about the safety of funds is accurate, and that imho is the only info that should really matter to anyone

Well, this forum is for the public, not just you. The fact that you don't care if SBR hands out false information is just fine. Obviously, some of the other posters around here don't consider this information irrelevant. SBR must not consider it irrelevant since it went to the trouble of writing up these reviews. The OP read them and tried to rely on the information that SBR gave him --- and did so to his detriment. Even tho you are not interested in these reviews ( actually I am not either ), the fact that SBR doesn't care if it is handing out false info should be of some concern to you. Whatever value you believe you receive from SBR's ratings certainly should decrease if SBR's accuracy comes into question.

**allin1** · 12-02-12, 02:39 PM

BranchDavidian, "the fact that SBR doesn't care if it is handing out false info" is not of some concern to me because I don't consider it to be critical info. they are just meaningless details that don't even affect 99% percent of the bettors out there.

I am too busy trying to make money. I don't have time to bother with this. Does it really help for you to waste your time with the fact that sbr writes some lies about bookies? Get over it. They are making money from people losing it, just like the bookies.

I would rather just focus on making money betting and let them do it their way

if it means so much to you and you want to spend more time and energy on it then I can respect that. Good luck

If they would write lies about the safety of funds with some books, then I would be really concerned.

**BranchDavidian** · 12-02-12, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by allin1

BranchDavidian, "the fact that SBR doesn't care if it is handing out false info" is not of some concern to me because I don't consider it to be critical info. they are just meaningless details that don't even affect 99% percent of the bettors out there.

I am too busy trying to make money. I don't have time to bother with this. Does it really help for you to waste your time with the fact that sbr writes some lies about bookies? Get over it. They are making money from people losing it, just like the bookies.

I would rather just focus on making money betting and let them do it their way

if it means so much to you and you want to spend more time and energy on it then I can respect that. Good luck

If they would write lies about the safety of funds with some books, then I would be really concerned.

It is not the reviews that mean anything to me. Once SBR is shown to have inaccurate info, and especially if they don't seem to care, then any other info that they publish is less dependable --- including the sportsbook ratings, which do seem to be of some importance to you. The issue is all about credibility. How good are these ratings that SBR hands out? ( If they are misinformed about books limiting, they might also be misinformed about fund safety! And maybe they don't care about that either.)

**bitisorin** · 12-03-12, 03:45 PM

The silent of SBR is very suspicious in this matter... I am waiting for their answer...It seems like they don't care about us,the players.

Min. Bet	£1
Max. Bet	£500,000
Overnight Lines	Yes
Limit Collars	No " !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!