william hill baseball rule, outraged, please help

**Santo** · 04-26-13, 01:22 PM

If you click any of the help links on their website, the baseball rules it directs you to are: https://williamhill-lang.custhelp.co...445/kw/innings

It looks like your link is an old version of their website that they haven't deleted, though they probably should.

**torontobahn** · 04-26-13, 01:28 PM

so in this case, do i have a case?

the old version should have been removed but it wasn't.

i wouldn't even have placed this wager if i was aware of this new rule of 8 1/2 inning.

its a joke of a rule really. no bookie has this rule.

**teaz2win** · 04-26-13, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by torontobahn

so in this case, do i have a case?

the old version should have been removed but it wasn't.

i wouldn't even have placed this wager if i was aware of this new rule of 8 1/2 inning.

its a joke of a rule really. no bookie has this rule.

Both books I play at have this rule for totals. If you take a total and the game doesnt go 8.5 innings the wager is considered a no bet. I have been on both sides of the fence for this outcome. If the game doesnt go full and you had the over and the game stays under your pissed if they grade it a loss but if you went over then your happy. Seems like a fair rule.

**torontobahn** · 04-26-13, 01:49 PM

but total has that rule everywhere.
i am talking about money line.
its a different story

**tto827** · 04-26-13, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by torontobahn

but total has that rule everywhere.
i am talking about money line.
its a different story

Never seen it on ML's. Think you got screwed here, or they have some dumb freakin' rules.

**goombah** · 04-26-13, 02:17 PM

I would think you have a case, seems pretty shady or they misinterpret the cancellation of a total bet with a money line wager.

**easyliving** · 04-26-13, 02:17 PM

The game must go at least 9 innings (or 8.5 innings if the home team is ahead) for bets to have action, otherwise bets are void unless a wining market has already been established. In the event of a tie bets are void.

clearly states it in the rules you have no case.

**Slimpickens** · 04-26-13, 03:25 PM

You should have been paid. Never heard of such a silly rule.

**relaaxx** · 04-26-13, 03:32 PM

should be a winning wager

**unluckysob** · 04-26-13, 03:40 PM

totals and run lines must go 8.5

**torontobahn** · 04-26-13, 04:46 PM

these guys aren't willing to un-void it. what should i do now?
im just outraged, this is the most pathetic rule ive ever seen

**hanco21** · 04-26-13, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by teaz2win

Both books I play at have this rule for totals. If you take a total and the game doesnt go 8.5 innings the wager is considered a no bet. I have been on both sides of the fence for this outcome. If the game doesnt go full and you had the over and the game stays under your pissed if they grade it a loss but if you went over then your happy. Seems like a fair rule.

Duh,,, he wasnt talking about totals. Totals are 8.5 innings and sides are 4.5/5 inn. I would take my money out immediately, this book is a joke.

**Slimpickens** · 04-26-13, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by torontobahn

these guys aren't willing to un-void it. what should i do now?
im just outraged, this is the most pathetic rule ive ever seen

Not sure what else you can do but file a complaint here.

**Kaabee** · 04-26-13, 05:16 PM

dumb rule, but they make their own.

don't know where you got that link from op. going to the site and clicking on the links you get the rule that says must go 8.5

**dealer wins** · 04-26-13, 05:54 PM

You can vent all over the internet but Whill aren't going to pay the bet im afraid!

**Slimpickens** · 04-26-13, 10:30 PM

I am from USA so I cant play at William Hill but arent they supposed to be better than this? Seems alittle busch league to me.

**easyliving** · 04-26-13, 11:11 PM

I'm not sure what your still complaining about. the book clearly states in the rules that the game must go 8.5 innings and last I checked it didn't go 8.5 innings. I'm sure you would not be complaining if you were on boston ML and your wager was voided. William Hill is following the rules they stated nothing wrong with that.

**torontobahn** · 04-27-13, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by easyliving

I'm not sure what your still complaining about. the book clearly states in the rules that the game must go 8.5 innings and last I checked it didn't go 8.5 innings. I'm sure you would not be complaining if you were on boston ML and your wager was voided. William Hill is following the rules they stated nothing wrong with that.

who r u? spokesperon for will hill?
read the link that ive provided under baseball rule c,
that link says otherwise.
these guys were working with 2 different sets of rules.
if that link is outdated, it should have been removed

**Slimpickens** · 04-27-13, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by easyliving

I'm not sure what your still complaining about. the book clearly states in the rules that the game must go 8.5 innings and last I checked it didn't go 8.5 innings. I'm sure you would not be complaining if you were on boston ML and your wager was voided. William Hill is following the rules they stated nothing wrong with that.

Get a clue dude.

**ADR51** · 04-27-13, 10:38 AM

ok, so i have a question...did you take the listed pitchers or did you play action, as in fixed odds?

**the_orangekat** · 04-27-13, 11:10 AM

Been gambling at various books for over 20 years, always seen that rule in bases where an O/U and RL wager must go 9. Every total and RL, win or lose, has been voided in rain-shortened games. never ever have I played at a place that honors totals or R L's in rain shortened games, even if the game is called with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th.

Now, not sure if it's called in extra innings how they grade it, never happened to me.

Sorry, but doubtful that you got a legit argument.

**the_orangekat** · 04-27-13, 11:13 AM

But if you're talking MONEY LINE, you got a legit case unless their rules say otherwise.

Never seen a ML bet not honored after 4.5 if the home team is winning, 5 if they are losing.

**Kaabee** · 04-27-13, 11:19 AM

op, please explain where that link came from.

**dikefale** · 04-27-13, 01:30 PM

Every book have their own rules. You should check rules before bet,especially because Will Hill is european book and baseball is not top priority sport. For example there is funny rule at marathonbet live basketball betting. They have 1x2 for 40 minutes but live handicap is counted with ot. Total bullshit but its their rule,we cant change it. You should accept that you don't have case here, shamefully.

**Santo** · 04-27-13, 01:43 PM

The old rules show up on a google search.

**LT Profits** · 04-27-13, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by torontobahn

i personally am accustomed to the 4 1/2 inning rule(standard las vegas rule), which makes my wager a winning wager.

No the 4.5 inning rule if home team is winning and five-inning rule otherwise is only for money lines. The Vegas standard for Totals and Run Lines requires nine innings.

**LT Profits** · 04-27-13, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

No the 4.5 inning rule if home team is winning and five-inning rule otherwise is only for money lines. The Vegas standard for Totals and Run Lines requires nine innings.

OOOPS my bad, I just reread where you had ML. Then yes, result should have been official.

**Santo** · 04-28-13, 01:46 AM

When you're playing at international books, you can't expect Vegas rules to apply. William Hill are perfectly entitled to have their own rules for sports, as long as they apply them equally.

The only question is about their old rule link being live, but given I can't find anywhere you can click to access it (other than by searching google), I don't think you can claim those rules were still in effect.

**torontobahn** · 04-29-13, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Santo

When you're playing at international books, you can't expect Vegas rules to apply. William Hill are perfectly entitled to have their own rules for sports, as long as they apply them equally.

The only question is about their old rule link being live, but given I can't find anywhere you can click to access it (other than by searching google), I don't think you can claim those rules were still in effect.

don't agree with you.
it doesn't matter whether its a north american bookie or european, when they offer american sports, they should be following american standard.(i.e. Vegas Rule).
not some random rule that they come up with
with regards to the old link, well that shouldn't be accessible whether via link or google if it is no longer in effect.
(its williamhill.com not some random website we are talking about)

**TheMoneyShot** · 04-29-13, 11:11 AM

As long as you didn't take -1.5 for the run line or any type of totals. Your regular ML play should stand. William Hill should be embarrassed.

**djefferis** · 04-29-13, 12:23 PM

Been beat to death..OP, has a complaint been filed with SBR.

As mentioned, moneyline requires only the game be official..and reverts to the score of the last full inning if cancel beyond 4.5 innings but before a complete game..(which screws people at least 1x a season).

Totals, RL or props require a fully completed game.

You say its ML and I dont doubt you..file it with SBR if so. If they have odd rules..its a case of buyer beware.

I know of many books who cancel a series wager on bases if any game is postponed, some who use played games. Its never 100 percent standardized..but official in bases typically means 4.5/5 innings.

**djefferis** · 04-29-13, 12:28 PM

i wouldn't even have placed this wager if i was aware of this new rule of 8 1/2 inning.

its a joke of a rule really. no bookie has this rule.[/QUOTE]

Why wouldnt you have placed the wager? Did you forsee this issue arising?

The fact no one else uses the rule is pointless...if I offer you a 500 percent bonus at my game of coin flipping and the rolls are heads I win, tails you lose and landing on its side is a push...its you stupidity for posting up and playing...not my fault for offering non standardized rules...as long as I post them before the play is made, its on you.

**torontobahn** · 04-29-13, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by djefferis

i wouldn't even have placed this wager if i was aware of this new rule of 8 1/2 inning.

its a joke of a rule really. no bookie has this rule.

Why wouldnt you have placed the wager? Did you forsee this issue arising?

The fact no one else uses the rule is pointless...if I offer you a 500 percent bonus at my game of coin flipping and the rolls are heads I win, tails you lose and landing on its side is a push...its you stupidity for posting up and playing...not my fault for offering non standardized rules...as long as I post them before the play is made, its on you.[/QUOTE]

the game was threathened to not finish 9innings cause of weather.(i was watching the game the whole time)
u expect a reputable large sportsbook like william hill to have the same standard vegas rule that all major bookies have.
sorry to say but your analogy is quite pathetic...

**chachi** · 04-29-13, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by torontobahn

don't agree with you.
it doesn't matter whether its a north american bookie or european, when they offer american sports, they should be following american standard.(i.e. Vegas Rule).
not some random rule that they come up with
with regards to the old link, well that shouldn't be accessible whether via link or google if it is no longer in effect.
(its williamhill.com not some random website we are talking about)

Bzzzt ... wrong answer.

Basically you placed a wager at a book without checking their specific rules, and they have settled your ticket 100% correctly abiding exactly by what their grading terms are, and you want a favourable regrade since you don't like their rules.

I shouldn't hold your breath very long in anticipation of WH changing their minds or SBR being able to get you the result you desire given that WH have done nothing wrong.

There are some books which only offer 1-2 markets on rugby or cricket or various other events which almost never end in a true 'tie' but which European or Asian books would generally offer 1-X-2 lines, and the first set of books would refund/void wagers in the rare event of a tie whereas a 1 or 2 bet at the others would be a loser, and as here, both sets of books are settling/grading their respective tickets 100% correctly.

BTW - the fact that you looked can see an out of date pagelink in google and that it loads is meaningless, many sites deprecate content by removing a link from public view but leaving the content untouched.