BetMayor Confiscates $51,000 in Blackjack Winnings Citing Professional Play

**Kaabee** · 04-22-15, 04:07 PM

"I'm not contending that the software has a bug or flaw"

Well then obviously you have to pay the man. Unreal fukking thieves.

I've made scores larger than that with DGS software. Thankfully it wasn't at scam books.

**Optional** · 04-22-15, 04:15 PM

Got to love the way they act indignant about someone trying to rip them off!

Don't kill me, screams the murderer.

**captrobey** · 04-22-15, 04:46 PM

I played a few times in the casino there and it was really bad could not come close to winning. Dealer going on insane runs like at most online casinos. But if the person obeyed the rules and did not cheat then they should pay him. But it is hard to believe someone found a way to beat it. I had the casino closed there awhile back.

**trytrytry** · 04-22-15, 05:34 PM

How is this SLIME book not an F rating just based on the info you have already SBR???

scam book easystreet sports going bust and out of business (while stealing more on the way down) based on stealing from corey from casino play and the truth being exposed...

and this book will be next .. hopefully

**harvesters** · 04-22-15, 05:50 PM

I'm so confused by this - so because he won everyday it wasn't recreational? Is it because he won or because he played every day? Would they take issue with someone who plays every day and loses every day? If it's the way he won, be specific. Otherwise, it's a straight up scam by the book.

**tomallen123** · 04-22-15, 06:21 PM

How can someone be a professional online blackjack player?
Disgusted and will spread the word about this crap book.

**Optional** · 04-22-15, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by harvesters

I'm so confused by this - so because he won everyday it wasn't recreational? Is it because he won or because he played every day? Would they take issue with someone who plays every day and loses every day? If it's the way he won, be specific. Otherwise, it's a straight up scam by the book.

They were very specific. 87% of the play choices he made match perfect strategy.

There is a perfect strategy for playing Blackjack that will see you not lose very fast, allowing you to stay in the game a lot longer to collect comps, bonuses and jackpots which can put you at an advantage over the house. Even playing perfect basic strategy puts you in a pretty good position but perfect strategy involves a lot more rules.

**SBR Forum** · 04-22-15, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by trytrytry

How is this SLIME book not an F rating just based on the info you have already SBR???

We hope that this decision is overturned by BetMayor, and don't want the rating process to negatively influence this player getting paid. Obviously the handling of it will play a major part. Sportsbooks get things wrong from time to time, but it is correcting mistakes and doing the right thing that makes the difference in being considered a scam or not.

**tomallen123** · 04-22-15, 06:25 PM

His account was suspended on Feb 1st, thats almost 3 months ago.
They've had plenty of time to sort this out.

**tomallen123** · 04-22-15, 06:28 PM

From reading that link;

"I'm not contending that the software has a bug or flaw, I'm stating he used a strategy that gives him over 85% chances of winning which is not recreational and so because of our rules we don't cater for his type of action.

They rated the player in "Category 3" (87%), meaning his strategy was 87% Optimal?
How do they figure that gives him over 85% chance of winning? Astounded by this.

It's not a difficult game and I'm sure most people who play it regularly would score pretty high on that.

**Kaabee** · 04-22-15, 08:41 PM

85% basic strategy is actually pretty mediocre. Very easy to attain 99% plus.

**Hareeba!** · 04-22-15, 08:56 PM

Even playing optimum strategy there is still a house margin, right?
So this is utterly unacceptable behaviour by the casino.
If bonuses etc. would have meant they were losing to him then remove his right to earn those but they can't steal his $!

**Stallion** · 04-22-15, 09:12 PM

This book should pay the player.

**Courtesywipe** · 04-22-15, 09:16 PM

If this book doesn't pay, their existence will be ended in a matter of time. Lots of eyes on the outcome.

**baseballstud** · 04-22-15, 09:41 PM

This book most definitely should play if the player was on the up and up, any gambler will search this sports book and this will come up and I think significantly impact the decision to play there or not.

**dirtdog52658** · 04-22-15, 10:41 PM

They should pay this guy every penny. Its not that hard to have the blackjack chart on another window to play optimum strategy. Online casinos are built to hold whatever the casino sets it to. Most set it relatively low 3-4% but its on an overall basis for their entire customer base. Therefore if this guy won 51,000 , Other players had to lose around 54,000 for that to happen.

**Stockdale** · 04-22-15, 11:02 PM

Disgusting

**byronbb** · 04-22-15, 11:51 PM

They don't have the money obviously.

**Courtesywipe** · 04-23-15, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by byronbb

They don't have the money obviously.

This

**temple2010** · 04-23-15, 12:29 AM

rating increase on the way

**sourtwist** · 04-23-15, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by temple2010

rating increase on the way

Why would there be a rating increase on the way

**dealer wins** · 04-23-15, 05:28 AM

Sometimes I cant believe what I am reading about how books can just basically steal a players money.

This book is a scam, simple as that. I hope the owners get a nasty terminal illness!

**cashin81** · 04-23-15, 06:16 AM

dont most people play perfect strategy? (and lose)...

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 04-23-15, 06:18 AM

I don't get it - was there a bonus involved?

If not, who cares what strategy he uses, it's still -EV.

**cashin81** · 04-23-15, 06:19 AM

The only professional bj players are card counters in casinos
85% chance of winning, lol,

**cashin81** · 04-23-15, 06:24 AM

This is the wizard of odds site mentioned by the book.... still has a house advantage (obviously)http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/calculator/

Youre supposed to double soft 18 against 2-6, didnt know that ..

And who wouldnt do some basic research when playing $200 a hand?

**warpednexus** · 04-23-15, 07:12 AM

Some ideas for a new BETMAYOR slogan..........

"You can play, but your not allowed to win"

" If you win here, you can go FCK yourself "

" Where winning is frowned upon "

" If you win here you must be doing something illegal "

" Play Here...Win Big...We're Not Worried...We Don't Plan On Paying You Anyway "

**encore_** · 04-23-15, 09:12 AM

I don't see a review/rating for this book. What does that mean?

**tomallen123** · 04-23-15, 09:53 AM

Should be blacklisted asap.

**Igor_1965** · 04-23-15, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Optional

They were very specific. 87% of the play choices he made match perfect strategy.

There is a perfect strategy for playing Blackjack that will see you not lose very fast, allowing you to stay in the game a lot longer to collect comps, bonuses and jackpots which can put you at an advantage over the house. Even playing perfect basic strategy puts you in a pretty good position but perfect strategy involves a lot more rules.

basic strategy + counting cards + ? = perfect strategy

**tomallen123** · 04-23-15, 11:36 AM

Can't count cards online Igor

**Courtesywipe** · 04-23-15, 11:43 AM

You all are looking to deep into this. There is no cheating at BJ online. The dude won money and the SCAM site won't pay the money. period. That's the price this dude should pay for depositing 5k at a online sportsbook that has no rating and only been open for business since 7/2014.

**Hu$tle** · 04-23-15, 12:05 PM

You guys were missing the big picture here. His strategy was in his bets!

Dealer won 48% of the time and Player won 43%, so how did he win?

40% of his hands were of bets of $1-$20
20% of his hands were bets of $50-200
34% of his hands were >$200.

"you don't play for over 2 months not having a losing day and call yourself a recreational player."

**captrobey** · 04-23-15, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Courtesywipe

You all are looking to deep into this. There is no cheating at BJ online. The dude won money and the SCAM site won't pay the money. period. That's the price this dude should pay for depositing 5k at a online sportsbook that has no rating and only been open for business since 7/2014.

Yea that is an insane amount to deposit . I always deposited $350-$500 there normally $500 . I would love to see the hands he played. I had them block the casino because BJ was insanely bad there. I sent Kennedy my hands once to show him how ridiculous it was and he although never said it was rigged did say he never saw cards that bad before . Every time i played it was the exact same thing. So i had it blocked.

It even shows he lost more hands then he won. Did he just hit every hand he bet more on? I do not remember the limit there. If it is like $5000 i guess it is possible if you happen to hit the hands you did win with max bets. It is just that $51000 is an incredible amount to reach when you lose more hands then you win.

Maybe he figured out a pattern who knows. Even though if that is what happened he still did not cheat and should be paid. Remember that show Press your luck? There was a guy on there that figured out the pattern on the screen and hit the button every time . He always won cash or a prize. He admitted it later that was how he mopped up. He never cheated though . Maybe he figured out when to max bet? But even so it still is not cheating. I would love to see the hands to see how he got to $51000.

I mean if he did use a program and cheated he would not have lost more hands then he won right?