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Why would his clients know about their agent working with PT? If anything, I'd assume they don't know he works with PT at all because that would allow them to cut out the middle man and they would be able to get a part of the commission themselves.
I don't think I'm biased at all in this. I think I've stated the case crystal clear above (at least how it seems to me) and have not seen anything to make me think it went down any other way.
I do take a bit of offense at that remark Optional, I always try to be fair and OP has shown nothing but a blatant disregard and disrespect for signed contracts whilst providing absolutely no evidence to help his case besides some archived version of a web T&C. Why does he even point to that? Why can't he post his initial contract dated before november 2016 in which there is a clear reference to their web T&C (and the fact that the web T&C is valid for that contract).
THAT I would say is evidence of the T&C being changed without him knowing it...unless PT could provide proof to the contrary.Comment -
I had a remaining balance of 66,000€ left from 265.000€ that is not paid and also I had 87,000€ inside my agency account. All my agency accounts were closed yesterday. They do not give any explanation to me.Where is the balance of 153,000€ of me? I request all users and SBR admins to ask for this money to PT.The user with nickname "Alfa1234" wants to digress the topic by posting irrelevant things here. Please do not let him do this!!! He must be working for PT and taking money from them to defend them.Comment -
Why do you need to keep assuming more things like what he has told his clients?
This isn't a complicated matter. Were those terms about 50k/day in place before his clients' wagers or not. That's all that's at issue.
What and when he tells his clients is his own business..Comment -
He was a old member of the forum , it seems that his posts are deleted and his profile being banned.I couldn't find this post on arbuser forum. And also I couldn't find any info about this member(fairpunter) of arbuser forum.
Or maybe he disabled himself the account since he got some issues with the admin and said himself that he was leaving the forum.
Anyways , the case is if the 50k daily winning term was in force at the moment the best were made , thats all.Comment -
What a ridiculous rule for a company that deals with the likes of Pinnacle and SBObet. These sites take more than that on single games, I haven't used PT in about 6 months but will definitely start looking for other options. Even the shady Costa Rican books have 150-250k daily win limits.Comment -
Dear friends
It is a small company that can't cover its own risks PT. Never think that PT is a big company. They can change the rules and seize your money in your account when you just wake up in a morning. Do you have a contact number or address that you can access them? I am asking all users. It is a big company but they don't even have a contact number or address...
They have stolen my 153000 euros and they are just silent. I will contact them via my own means.Last edited by omer87; 03-21-17, 11:08 AM.Comment -
It is Optional.
But this case would be long settled if the guy had just posted his own PT contract, where it says "website T&C applies". In 12 pages of discussion on the other forum he has not done this...we don't even know if the standard T&C apply to his contract. I do know other people that have contracts with them, where the standard T&C does not apply. On top of that, he has no problems posting a new contract he signed and by doing that and asking for additional funds from PT he has breached 2 of the 3 terms in this contract.
To me, that shows he has no respect for his own signature and this, combined with my own good experiences of PT and their statements regarding this matter, makes me go after him. It does not make me "biased". I've posted my thoughts on what happened exactly with this guy above.
These were my last 2c regarding this, without the actual contract it'll never be settled anyway.Comment -
Alfa1234...
How much does PT give to you to defend them?
Please do not post and do not digress the topic anymore. It is enough!!!Comment -
Premium Tradings' policy is very strange here. If you won't pay, then why you accept the bet? Just take the action you're able to pay. It makes me think Premium Trading is not financially tough company.
I must admit I'm surprised by Alfa1234's agressive attitude. This so much Premium Tradings Defending attitude makes me think he has some connection with them so better to ignore this guy.
PT's behaviour is shocking. In this forum, many people had asked my advice about broker companies, like which you suggest, what do you think about AC and PT. Now, If somebody ask me about PT, I think you can guess how my toughts will be.
After I learned about this matter, I immediately stopped using PT and informed my friends about the situation. Many people quitting this company and withdrawing funds. If you can't even pay 80k, how you can give "trust" to people? They changed their "policy" in one night to not pay the player, it's not fair.
If you don't have enough funds to run this business, then don't do. If they don't pay Omer87 full, they won't have any name, respect in this industry. That's why I like asian people, they're man of their word. Asian Connect would never do something like this. That's the difference between two company.
I hope PT will pay Omer87 in full. You can't seize funds of a player with a reason like this. If they don't, probably everybody will be aware of this SCANDAL and they won't have any customers left.Comment -
Sawyer, your post above amazes me. For the record, I'm not affiliate with PT in any way other than being a client.
You know how this industry works.
Here is what I believe has happened:
The OP is an agent for clients and he uses PT to open Pinnacle accounts for his clients. PT takes a small commission (I believe it to be 0.3%) on every bet through their affiliate account with Pinnacle. The OP has the option to take 25% of the action of his own clients and in this case has obviously chosen to do that. Pinnacle provides the accounts with that action included. It also means the accounts have higher limits than a standard agent account.
This is the reason most agent accounts which have nobody to take a part of the action, have only 35% of the "standard" Pinnacle limits now. Pinnacle doesn't want these sharp players to have full limits so they amended their agent contracts to represent this. This happened back in the fall of November 2016. This is also the same period when a bunch of agent clients started reporting lower Pinnacle limits. Pt does not take this 25% action, the OP does. That means Pinnacle does not pay that 25% if the end client (in thise case OP's client) wins, but they also don't ask for 25% of the losses if the end client loses. It explains PT's comment about "those funds were never generated".
In this case, the OP got burned because his clients won a large amount through a parlay bet. Obviously, it has nothing to do with PT as you cannot reasonably expect a company to pay this money if it was never paid out by Pinnacle in the first place...the OP was happy to take the client money as long as they kept losing and now wants to hold PT responsible for the money they won? He cannot have it both ways and should have analysed the betting behaviour of his clients before accepting the 25% risk. This is exactly the reason why PT has put that win limit in their T&C...to avoid this situation in the first place!
I could be wrong, but that's how I see it and it's why I believe it's grossly unfair the OP gets to slaunder PT's name...while no-one defends them.Comment -
Alfa1234 = PremiumTradings
The name is dany? Adam? ROY ?
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In this thread, there's 50# posts so far and 15 of these posts belog to Alfa123, almost 1/3! Alfa123, are you PT Lawyer? You make so obivious that you have some connection with them since you defend them like crazy, it's very strange. It's not about between you and Omer87. It's between Omer87 and PT. PT can come to this thread anytime and make some explanation. They didn't act fair. Why they accept an action that they can't pay? If you lose, no problem but if you win, they seize money. What's this? I will completely ignore you since it's very clear you're worker of PT.Comment -
Let me change that post a bit as it's becoming a "let's hit the messenger and blatantly disregard every single thing with actual content he has posted already because we have nothing to say to it and it's way easier to simply attack a person than try and refute his statements".
In this thread, there's 50# posts so far and 2 of these posts belog to Sawyer, that's almost 4%! Sawyer, are you Omer Lawyer? You make so obivious that you have some connection with them since you defend him like crazy, it's very strange. It's not about between you and Omer. It's between Omer87 and PT. Omer can come to this thread anytime and make some explanation and give some actual proof. He didn't act fair. Why he accept an action that he can't pay? If you lose, no problem but if you win, he cannot pay money so he tries to extort his agent. What's this?Comment -
Hi guys,
arbusers admin has deleted my post without acknowledging me. PT is doing everything to continue the theft because they are swindling big-amount players. Arbusers admin, PremiumTradings and Alfa1234 are a team together.Comment -
PT closed all my max, sbo, PinnacleSports accounts without informing me and they do not give any explanation via skype and email. They are going on playing dead...
As you see, there is no reply.
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omer -- I believe you. everything. including that alfa1234 works for them. I hope SBR can help. file complaint and keep letting everyone know what happened to you. good luck. hope they end up regretting the day they stole your money.Comment -
You need to worry more about backing up your claim that PremiumTradings changed those terms after your bets were made and less about what other people think or say.
If you submit a complaint SBR will try to help you sort out a fair solution. It's your choice if you don't want to take up that offer but if not and whilst we don't see any corroboration from others, or compelling evidence that PT changed terms after your bets were made, please don't try to turn this thread into a repeat of the 12 pages of bashing of PT and other posters that caused Arbusers to remove the thread over there.
If there is really more "theft because they are swindling big-amount players" please direct those people to submit a sportsbook complaint form as well. I'm pretty sure SBR has a decent chance of being able to help if you/them have indeed been treated unfairly..Comment -
The more I see the OP claiming anyone who doesnt agree with him being a PT employee, the more I am thinking that the OP is being untruthful I have to say.Comment -
Alfa guy really do look like he is PT shill. Cant believe he is attacking this guy so much.
Ok lets assume 66k is winnings over 50K a day. But what about this 3 separate accounts having some 85k remaining there?Comment -
Arbusers had deleted the whole thread presumably to keep his customer PT happy - disgrace IMO
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What do you think about who made this topic to be deleted? If you read the posts below you will see. I am wondering that how much money arbusers got from PT.
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omer - have you submitted a complaint about PT to SBR as Otional has asked you at least 3 times?
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I presume this last chat means he got paid the balance that was left in his account, so that issue is now resolved.Comment -
says march 15, so i guess PT means they paid the 199kComment -
I have made an application of complaint. And now I am preparing a detailed one. I will send it soonComment -
Why did you sign a document forfeiting 66,000 euro? Why did you not talk to the forums - or 'contact them via your own means' (I am assuming a Turkish version of Tony Soprano?) at that point? Were you seriously worried about never seeing a single dollar if you tried defending your case at that point? How could you do business with a company that's capable of this, or are you saying PT has turned bad just recently, just a couple of months ago?
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