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  • aljack
    SBR Sharp
    • 09-08-17
    • 381

    #1
    Intertops shenanigans
    I have been patient with this Sports Book because I have an affiliate program going on with them through my twitter account. However after tonight I have come to my final straw.

    Multiple times over the past few weeks I have had issues with intertops's live betting.

    They will change the order of their betting lines - and the lines are constantly updating, so you can only get a fresh line if you hit the refresh button on your browser.

    A few weeks ago I was attempting to make a bet on a tennis match and they switched the "Match Winner" spot to the "Set 3 Game 9 Winner" spot - so as I am sitting and trying to make a bet as the line is constantly locking and I am constantly having to refresh my browser to get the line to unlock - So finally I get the line unlocked and make a substantial bet - only to find out after sitting there for 15 minutes trying to get a line - that they switched the spot of "Match Winner" to "Set 3 Game 9 Winner" - causing me to pick the wrong line and lose my bet.

    I know it's probably half my fault for not looking at the title of my line - but the way it's set up seems almost intentional. You sit there trying and trying to get a decent line - refreshing and refreshing - and as soon as the lines come unlocked - they switch the order of the lines and cause you to screw up and click the wrong bet.

    But that's not all

    During the Olympics I was making a killing on team totals in Women's and Men's hockey - on multiple occasions Intertops had the games up on their live betting schedule and as soon as the game would start - the game would disappear from their schedule and would be unavailable for the remainder of the evening. Now for the first few preliminary games they were offering the games - but then as time went on and as the games became more and more important - they stopped offering live lines - and not as if they were just simply not offering the line - but they would have it up on their live betting schedule and then as soon as the game would start - it would disappear from the games list.

    They didn't offer any live wagering for the gold medal women's game, the Canada Men's quarter final game vs Finland, the Canada vs Germany semi final game - or the GOLD MEDAL GAME.

    For the Gold Medal Women's game once again - they had the game up on the live-wagering schedule, and as soon as the game started it disappeared.

    The only time that they fixed this issue was in the middle of the Canada/Finland qtr final game - the odds magically appeared in the middle of the second period.

    I found this to be extremely irritating and totally amateur for a SportsBook that has an 'A' rating on SBR. A sports book that approached ME to be apart of their affiliate program.

    -- Finally, tonight. --

    This has happened on numerous occasions but tonight was the most evident incident where I felt major shenanigans were at play.

    St. Mary's is down double digits to BYU in the WCC Semi-Final game. The line is hanging at -8.5 BYU while they are up by 12 with about 6 minutes left in the 2nd half. As I am trying to pull the trigger on -8.5 BYU @ 1.85, the live-wagering is locking up and not allowing me to make a wager. Then as I am refreshing - the game pops up but without any lines and it says "Betting Stopped" - again, this is with just under 10 minutes to go in the 2nd Half. I would understand this happening with like 2 minutes to go in the game - or if there were a major foul that was being reviewed - but nothing of the sort was happening - the game was in full swing and they simply pulled the lines off the board - after refreshing again for another few minutes - with 6 minutes left in the game the odds reappear and BYU is now a -6.5 favorite. I go to pull the trigger again on BYU -6.5 and the live-odds lock up - I hit refresh and it gives me a blank white screen - "We are currently under a routine maintenance period, we are sorry for any inconvenience." As I feel that this was total BS - I start smashing the refresh button again and again and after about a minute and a half in game time - the game pops back up - and again with "Betting Stopped"

    BYU wins by 12 and I am left with money in my hands ready to wager and this garbage in-play betting feed robs me of what would have been a WIN for me.

    --

    Now mind you - I understand that this is apart of the industry and that some sites have worse connections in different regions of the world. However, when the server error message comes up it always says a different city. "Chicago" or "New Jersey" or "Montreal" - I live in Toronto. There shouldn't be this many errors based on the region. I would understand if there server was based in Cyprus or Lithuania, but it's not.

    This is something that has been happening on a consistent basis since I signed up with them in January. I would get "Betting Stopped" messages in the middle of the Australian Open as soon as a favorite would start losing - or as soon as an underdog would start making a come back - and then sure enough I would get this error message telling me "server not available" - only for a couple minutes and then the site would come back up once said match was getting back to being predictable.

    I feel like as soon as the lines start getting too competitive for them - they are pulling their lines and if they are taking in too much action - they pull the in-game odds - and if there is still too much action or too much of an unpredictable outcome - they will simply just pull the plug on the server wherever that action is coming in and wait until their algorithm can catch up to what's happening - then the site comes back.

    Not only that - but sometimes they will simply just not offer odds if a game starts getting hairy - if a team starts making a mad come back - they'll simply just pull the lines and on the side bar you can see the odds - but if you click the actual game it will show the game with no odds available - if you click the side bar odds and get it into your bet slip - the line will show up but it will tell you "Betting Stopped" underneath the odds you grabbed.

    I have been a customer on many - many different Sportsbooks. B365, SportsInteraction, WilliamHill, BetDSI, BoDog, etc. and I have had my fair share of frustrations based on simple line adjustments or technical difficulties - but nothing like this - I know shenanigans when I see them and this is pure and simply - crooked shenanigans.

    I am making a formal complaint to Intertops about this - If I am not given a proper explanation - I will be withdrawing my bankroll from their site - and pulling my affiliation program with them.

    I advise everyone here not to deal with Intertops - I know they are a sponsor of alot of the content that SBR puts up and that's why I initially signed up with them - but this has gone on far too long.

    I will go back to my local Sportsbook in Canada - SportsInteraction, they are not perfect - but they run a far better in-game betting site and don't pull shady shenanigans.
    ---

    P.S.

    Their vig is 15% most of the time - they hang market consensus lines that should be at 1.91 but throw them up at 1.85 - again, that's if you're lucky to even catch the line if it doesn't lock up or kick you out of the site.

    Anyways - stay away from Intertops.

    Thanks for letting me vent.
    Last edited by aljack; 03-06-18, 02:46 AM.
  • aljack
    SBR Sharp
    • 09-08-17
    • 381

    #2
    Speaking of which.

    3:10 AM

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    • Alfa1234
      SBR MVP
      • 12-19-15
      • 2722

      #3
      I opened an account there 2 weeks ago through the SBR link. Placed 2 bets on golf head to head and another on MMA. Won them. Limited to about 10% of the normal limit. 3 bets...

      Now I probably can't withdraw because I didn't roll over the deposit yet so I'll grind it out...but it's frankly completely rediculous this way.

      Imho Intertops is not an A book.
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      • aljack
        SBR Sharp
        • 09-08-17
        • 381

        #4
        Originally posted by Alfa1234
        I opened an account there 2 weeks ago through the SBR link. Placed 2 bets on golf head to head and another on MMA. Won them. Limited to about 10% of the normal limit. 3 bets...

        Now I probably can't withdraw because I didn't roll over the deposit yet so I'll grind it out...but it's frankly completely rediculous this way.

        Imho Intertops is not an A book.
        They suck you in with their +200% deposit bonus and their "competitive lines" - when in reality. As soon as a game goes live - if you are lucky enough to get your hands on a line without it locking or kicking you out of the site - you are getting 15% vig, juiced lines that are way less than competitive. I don't have much problem with their basic Sportsbook - but their live betting module is absolute garbage and there is some fishy behavior going on with them in general.

        Like I said - I think they get too much action and are overwhelmed and they pull the plug on certain regions to stop the action from coming in so hot.

        That's just hearsay and conjecture - but from my experience with many other books. I have never seen a site go down in the middle of prime time as much as Intertops does - and this is based on 8 years of online gambling.
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        • Optional
          Administrator
          • 06-10-10
          • 60638

          #5
          Do you have a live betting platform that you do like aljack?
          .
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          • aljack
            SBR Sharp
            • 09-08-17
            • 381

            #6
            Originally posted by Optional
            Do you have a live betting platform that you do like aljack?
            The ones I mentioned.

            WilliamHill, Bet365, BoDog

            SportsInteractions live betting platform has some bugs - but I like it too.

            They all have bugs - but nothing like what I've seen from Intertops.
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            • Optional
              Administrator
              • 06-10-10
              • 60638

              #7
              Originally posted by aljack
              The ones I mentioned.

              WilliamHill, Bet365, BoDog

              SportsInteractions live betting platform has some bugs - but I like it too.

              They all have bugs - but nothing like what I've seen from Intertops.
              That's what I was kind of getting at. All of them are tough to get bets on when lines start moving fast, and go off and on available just when we dont want them to.

              I don't use Intertops live to be sure but from previous posts here it appears some people do have extra big tech issues like you but then others have joined in to say it seems fast and reliable to them. I suspect it's sensitive to your local config. Something like helper app versions or maybe an ad blocker or password manager or something weird like that.

              That's not an answer for the Cloudflare errors or games not going up for live betting as expected but I'd bet dollars to donuts you could solve that stuff about having to refresh for updates etc.
              .
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              • aljack
                SBR Sharp
                • 09-08-17
                • 381

                #8
                Originally posted by Optional
                That's what I was kind of getting at. All of them are tough to get bets on when lines start moving fast, and go off and on available just when we dont want them to.

                I don't use Intertops live to be sure but from previous posts here it appears some people do have extra big tech issues like you but then others have joined in to say it seems fast and reliable to them. I suspect it's sensitive to your local config. Something like helper app versions or maybe an ad blocker or password manager or something weird like that.

                That's not an answer for the Cloudflare errors or games not going up for live betting as expected but I'd bet dollars to donuts you could solve that stuff about having to refresh for updates etc.
                Any other in-game platform I've used has had very little problems - even SportsInteraction which has a more rolled back, low tech - live betting module has less problems.

                I have experienced this issue on multiple devices.
                Heck. If you go to the live-betting page on an iPad or any kind of hand held device - you can't even reach the side bar game menu, you have to scroll down and hope that the game you want is in the 5 or 6 "Live Now" section.

                Also, when I've experienced difficulties accessing games or getting onto the live-betting page, I have DM'd Intertops on twitter asking for an alternative path link and they have told me there is none or simply don't reply.

                I have never had that issue with other books - with other books they've provided me with alternative path links to get around server errors almost instantly.

                Anyways, I just feel slightly cheated and even if it's based on excessive traffic causing the site to go down during prime time - it is still worth mentioning as a PSA to other potential customers out there IMO.

                If I knew this was going to case - I would have never of joined Intertops in the first place.
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                • hotcross
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 08-04-17
                  • 7934

                  #9
                  well-written and detailed posts. I have no experience with Intertops.

                  I don't use Live betting too often but from my experience....

                  the most reliable timing to have the Live bet confirmed = in-between quarters in basketball/football, period intermissions in hockey, or innings in baseball.

                  But also in general during any stoppage in-play which goes to commercial, such as 6-minutes remaining in a quarter of basketball, etc.

                  I'd assume the OP tried this timing based on the OP's numerous attempts to trigger the Live bet during the games he mentioned. If you're trying to get a Live bet on the fly without a break in the game, the lines will probably refresh too fast.

                  Yes I'm being captain obvious here for the benefit of any newbies. I realize the OP was describing more of an issue with the site layout and possibly site reliability.
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                  • Courtesywipe
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-02-11
                    • 1623

                    #10
                    Originally posted by aljack
                    I have been patient with this Sports Book because I have an affiliate program going on with them through my twitter account. However after tonight I have come to my final straw.

                    Multiple times over the past few weeks I have had issues with intertops's live betting.

                    They will change the order of their betting lines - and the lines are constantly updating, so you can only get a fresh line if you hit the refresh button on your browser.

                    A few weeks ago I was attempting to make a bet on a tennis match and they switched the "Match Winner" spot to the "Set 3 Game 9 Winner" spot - so as I am sitting and trying to make a bet as the line is constantly locking and I am constantly having to refresh my browser to get the line to unlock - So finally I get the line unlocked and make a substantial bet - only to find out after sitting there for 15 minutes trying to get a line - that they switched the spot of "Match Winner" to "Set 3 Game 9 Winner" - causing me to pick the wrong line and lose my bet.

                    I know it's probably half my fault for not looking at the title of my line - but the way it's set up seems almost intentional. You sit there trying and trying to get a decent line - refreshing and refreshing - and as soon as the lines come unlocked - they switch the order of the lines and cause you to screw up and click the wrong bet.

                    But that's not all

                    During the Olympics I was making a killing on team totals in Women's and Men's hockey - on multiple occasions Intertops had the games up on their live betting schedule and as soon as the game would start - the game would disappear from their schedule and would be unavailable for the remainder of the evening. Now for the first few preliminary games they were offering the games - but then as time went on and as the games became more and more important - they stopped offering live lines - and not as if they were just simply not offering the line - but they would have it up on their live betting schedule and then as soon as the game would start - it would disappear from the games list.

                    They didn't offer any live wagering for the gold medal women's game, the Canada Men's quarter final game vs Finland, the Canada vs Germany semi final game - or the GOLD MEDAL GAME.

                    For the Gold Medal Women's game once again - they had the game up on the live-wagering schedule, and as soon as the game started it disappeared.

                    The only time that they fixed this issue was in the middle of the Canada/Finland qtr final game - the odds magically appeared in the middle of the second period.

                    I found this to be extremely irritating and totally amateur for a SportsBook that has an 'A' rating on SBR. A sports book that approached ME to be apart of their affiliate program.

                    -- Finally, tonight. --

                    This has happened on numerous occasions but tonight was the most evident incident where I felt major shenanigans were at play.

                    St. Mary's is down double digits to BYU in the WCC Semi-Final game. The line is hanging at -8.5 BYU while they are up by 12 with about 6 minutes left in the 2nd half. As I am trying to pull the trigger on -8.5 BYU @ 1.85, the live-wagering is locking up and not allowing me to make a wager. Then as I am refreshing - the game pops up but without any lines and it says "Betting Stopped" - again, this is with just under 10 minutes to go in the 2nd Half. I would understand this happening with like 2 minutes to go in the game - or if there were a major foul that was being reviewed - but nothing of the sort was happening - the game was in full swing and they simply pulled the lines off the board - after refreshing again for another few minutes - with 6 minutes left in the game the odds reappear and BYU is now a -6.5 favorite. I go to pull the trigger again on BYU -6.5 and the live-odds lock up - I hit refresh and it gives me a blank white screen - "We are currently under a routine maintenance period, we are sorry for any inconvenience." As I feel that this was total BS - I start smashing the refresh button again and again and after about a minute and a half in game time - the game pops back up - and again with "Betting Stopped"

                    BYU wins by 12 and I am left with money in my hands ready to wager and this garbage in-play betting feed robs me of what would have been a WIN for me.

                    --

                    Now mind you - I understand that this is apart of the industry and that some sites have worse connections in different regions of the world. However, when the server error message comes up it always says a different city. "Chicago" or "New Jersey" or "Montreal" - I live in Toronto. There shouldn't be this many errors based on the region. I would understand if there server was based in Cyprus or Lithuania, but it's not.

                    This is something that has been happening on a consistent basis since I signed up with them in January. I would get "Betting Stopped" messages in the middle of the Australian Open as soon as a favorite would start losing - or as soon as an underdog would start making a come back - and then sure enough I would get this error message telling me "server not available" - only for a couple minutes and then the site would come back up once said match was getting back to being predictable.

                    I feel like as soon as the lines start getting too competitive for them - they are pulling their lines and if they are taking in too much action - they pull the in-game odds - and if there is still too much action or too much of an unpredictable outcome - they will simply just pull the plug on the server wherever that action is coming in and wait until their algorithm can catch up to what's happening - then the site comes back.

                    Not only that - but sometimes they will simply just not offer odds if a game starts getting hairy - if a team starts making a mad come back - they'll simply just pull the lines and on the side bar you can see the odds - but if you click the actual game it will show the game with no odds available - if you click the side bar odds and get it into your bet slip - the line will show up but it will tell you "Betting Stopped" underneath the odds you grabbed.

                    I have been a customer on many - many different Sportsbooks. B365, SportsInteraction, WilliamHill, BetDSI, BoDog, etc. and I have had my fair share of frustrations based on simple line adjustments or technical difficulties - but nothing like this - I know shenanigans when I see them and this is pure and simply - crooked shenanigans.

                    I am making a formal complaint to Intertops about this - If I am not given a proper explanation - I will be withdrawing my bankroll from their site - and pulling my affiliation program with them.

                    I advise everyone here not to deal with Intertops - I know they are a sponsor of alot of the content that SBR puts up and that's why I initially signed up with them - but this has gone on far too long.

                    I will go back to my local Sportsbook in Canada - SportsInteraction, they are not perfect - but they run a far better in-game betting site and don't pull shady shenanigans.
                    ---

                    P.S.

                    Their vig is 15% most of the time - they hang market consensus lines that should be at 1.91 but throw them up at 1.85 - again, that's if you're lucky to even catch the line if it doesn't lock up or kick you out of the site.

                    Anyways - stay away from Intertops.

                    Thanks for letting me vent.
                    Year after year I people come on here complaining that intertops ratings are inflated. Year after year they are right! No way this book should even touch an A-Rating!

                    Must pay a splendid advertisement fee.
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                    • lonnie55
                      SBR MVP
                      • 04-08-16
                      • 2689

                      #11
                      Every sportsbook that sponsors SBR should be marked in the rating guide.
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                      • aljack
                        SBR Sharp
                        • 09-08-17
                        • 381

                        #12
                        I have no issue with SBR and Intertop's affiliation. Even I was affiliated with Intertops at one point. But that stops now. Too many times i've been screwed around on their site. Will be going back to my local sportsbook as of this evening.
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                        • washhead
                          SBR Sharp
                          • 02-08-18
                          • 444

                          #13
                          I've been with intertops since 1999 and I've never had any major issues with them. Their lines and selection of wagers aren't always the best, but they are a solid book. I've dealt with my fair share of shady books (including a couple with A+ SBR ratings) but I've never considered intertops to be one of them.

                          If you have issues with their live betting platform -- and it sounds like you do -- there's a real simple solution: stop using it. As you've mentioned, just take your money and go somewhere else. Every site is going to have its issues, it's just a part of the deal. Keep looking until you find the site that fits what you need. But if a site doesn't match your specific requirements, that's no reason to bash them.

                          I hope you find a site that meets your needs. While it's square as hell, in my opinion Bovada still has the best live betting platform I've ever used.
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                          • aljack
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 09-08-17
                            • 381

                            #14
                            Originally posted by washhead
                            I've been with intertops since 1999 and I've never had any major issues with them. Their lines and selection of wagers aren't always the best, but they are a solid book. I've dealt with my fair share of shady books (including a couple with A+ SBR ratings) but I've never considered intertops to be one of them.

                            If you have issues with their live betting platform -- and it sounds like you do -- there's a real simple solution: stop using it. As you've mentioned, just take your money and go somewhere else. Every site is going to have its issues, it's just a part of the deal. Keep looking until you find the site that fits what you need. But if a site doesn't match your specific requirements, that's no reason to bash them.

                            I hope you find a site that meets your needs. While it's square as hell, in my opinion Bovada still has the best live betting platform I've ever used.
                            I respect your opinion. I have no issues with their basic sportsbook - it's the in-game module that bothers me. I will be keeping a bit of cash in that account but going to a different book for live betting.
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                            • jtoler
                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                              • 12-17-13
                              • 30967

                              #15
                              That switching of items quickly during points is a bookmaker tactic also. Lot of filthy books out there, gotta find ways to beat them at their own game.
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                              • aljack
                                SBR Sharp
                                • 09-08-17
                                • 381

                                #16
                                Originally posted by jtoler
                                That switching of items quickly during points is a bookmaker tactic also. Lot of filthy books out there, gotta find ways to beat them at their own game.
                                That is what bothered me the most - no reason for it what so ever - switching the boxes of "Match Winner" to the point winner is totally shady. Never seen any other book i've used do that.
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                                • aljack
                                  SBR Sharp
                                  • 09-08-17
                                  • 381

                                  #17
                                  I have withdrawn the majority of my funds from intertops and have deposited into BoDog.

                                  I will still use intertops for pre-game wagering, but will not be using their in-game betting platform any more.

                                  I feel like I may have overreacted a little bit because of the loss - but I still stand by the fact that moving wager boxes around in the middle of a match is a shady business - but if alot of sportsbooks do it - I guess a small bit of the onus is on me.

                                  It happens. I am moving on.

                                  Live and learn.
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                                  • TheMoneyShot
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 02-14-07
                                    • 28672

                                    #18
                                    Glad I never made a deposit with Intertops... sounds like a bunch of crooks.

                                    Their 100% new client bonus is the oddest thing I ever heard. Not the 100%... but how long you have to wait until you receive the bonus. Dumbest thing ever.
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                                    • aljack
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 09-08-17
                                      • 381

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                                      Glad I never made a deposit with Intertops... sounds like a bunch of crooks.

                                      Their 100% new client bonus is the oddest thing I ever heard. Not the 100%... but how long you have to wait until you receive the bonus. Dumbest thing ever.
                                      I didn't have a problem with that.
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                                      • TheMoneyShot
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 02-14-07
                                        • 28672

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by aljack
                                        I didn't have a problem with that.
                                        My issue is.... on most bonuses.... from any book... you get the cash or Free play instantly. (That's your bonus)

                                        They want you to use your deposit... roll it over.... and then you will get your bonus.

                                        WTF is that all about? lol Never heard of such BS.
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                                        • aljack
                                          SBR Sharp
                                          • 09-08-17
                                          • 381

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                                          My issue is.... on most bonuses.... from any book... you get the cash or Free play instantly. (That's your bonus)

                                          They want you to use your deposit... roll it over.... and then you will get your bonus.

                                          WTF is that all about? lol Never heard of such BS.
                                          They have definitely changed that since you last looked. I initially deposited $200 and had a balance of $600 instantly.

                                          4x roll over.
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                                          • TheMoneyShot
                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                            • 02-14-07
                                            • 28672

                                            #22
                                            Funny thing is... just went to my mailbox Friday evening... Odd letter... no return address. I open it up... it's a promo from Intertops That's really weird.

                                            Bonuses listed

                                            50% up to 200 first deposit
                                            100% up to 100 first deposit
                                            200% up to 50 first deposit
                                            100% up to 1000 on your first Bitcoin deposit.

                                            I would jump all over that Bitcoin deposit... but I just don't trust them.

                                            I'd give them 1k and I'd be reduced to 50 risk wagers... maybe even 25. lol
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                                            • aljack
                                              SBR Sharp
                                              • 09-08-17
                                              • 381

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                                              Funny thing is... just went to my mailbox Friday evening... Odd letter... no return address. I open it up... it's a promo from Intertops That's really weird.

                                              Bonuses listed

                                              50% up to 200 first deposit
                                              100% up to 100 first deposit
                                              200% up to 50 first deposit
                                              100% up to 1000 on your first Bitcoin deposit.

                                              I would jump all over that Bitcoin deposit... but I just don't trust them.

                                              I'd give them 1k and I'd be reduced to 50 risk wagers... maybe even 25. lol
                                              I got that too.
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