Bwin - I can proove, bwin is cheating

[bwinLuser]

Here is my story.
I wanted to withdraw XXX Euro. I send ID copy.

After 15 days of "validating" and "not answering", I sent them a mail, and told that is unprofessional what they are doing there.

Day after they answered: "We closed your account"

Why?

Another day after they answered :"Beacuse entering wrong DATE OF BIRTH during the registration"

Hm, I said to myself, CAN NOT be. But I am only human, maybe i really did a mistake.Maybe I entered wrong date of birthday.

Although

1) Why they need 15 days to compare 2 dates from ID and in their DB ? Hmmmmmmm
2) They answered and closed my account immediatly , after I told them , they are unprofessional
3) After registration YOU CAN'T see NO WHERE in the personal details, your DATE of Birth. So You never can be sure, what You have entered. And they can use it against you, whenever they liked it (or need money)

4) I saw many other examples and compalints on Internet , where players had reported the same ISSUE (wrong Day of Birth). Come on guys, it can't be, that ALL of them entered wrong date ???

5) But now comes the BEST.

I remebered that once I forgot the security answer (needed to make a payout), and they requested following Info: Name, Street and Date of Birth.
I sent them all 3 Infos, and they provided me my forgoten security answer. (nobody complaimed about Date of Birth)

SO at this time the DATE WAS OK, and some time later, after I wanted to make my first withdrawal , THE DATE IS WRONG.

Isn't funny ?

I think they forgot this, when they tried to betray me...

(I have all this mail, which can prove this)

I told them all this, and day after, they said they will make payout.
I am still waiting for the money and the account is still closed...

Hard to believe, but BWIN cheats.

Moderator, why bwin has C-.

Is too much for them.

They are cheatars 100%

Because of their massive advertesing I thought they would be "sure", but ...

@ADMIN: I posted the same text on other thread as reply.Just for Info.(if needed, you can delete the old one)

[rake922]

If they don't pay you, how much money are you out because of them lying?

[bwinLuser]

It's not a "big" money, and I also hope to get the money soon.

I am just suprised, how they treat customers.
Imagine you go to your bank, to take samo money from your account, and they say:
"Sorry, your account is closed, and we can not tell you the reason. Beacuse we have the right to close any acount without any reason".
Everybody would feel stupid in such situation...

I trusted bwin, and could not believe what they are doing.
This was a good lesson for life... It opened my eyes...

[bwinLuser]

I got my money. Account disabled.

The story with wrong birt date was a lie from them,they don't wont to have me playing there for some only them known reason, so they made up a stupid story with wrong birth day.

Case closed.

Bye bye bwin.

betfair I'm comming.......

[Jaug]

Got to pinny instead. Betfair has an absolutely sick rake at 5%.

On topic: It's hard to trust bwin, they are one of those sites that do not want to have a good player-support. They just want to make the rules as the go along and without good communication for us players it's though to argue with them.

For example you mail them about reason why a bet was canceled, they answer you 24 hours later: "your bet is canceled". They use the customer support as a shield and as i mentioned earlier they would not want a better support.

[fixxer]

This whole "bwin cheating with birth date" idea sounds a little strange for me...

...simply, because bwin can choose to close any account without any real reason, so they don't need to find out false excuses to shut one down....if they don't like a customer (and this often happens), they simply close the account.
No reason given, no notification sent....and this is one of the reasons why Bwin is rated as a mediocre bookmaker at SBR....their betting offer, live betting, bet types are one of the best in the whole market - (for customers betting on european sports) - but the way they often handle their customers is not the way how a big, professional bookmake should deal with their users...

I often heard bwin is dealing unprofessionally with customers....more often they make grading mistakes....but I never heard them scamming a user.

[Santo]

A 101% market at Betfair with 5% commission is often better than the Pinnacle market. It pays to have both.

[Justin7]

If you have a real issue with Bwin, fill out a complaint. I have about a 100% success rate at getting to the bottom of things. In most cases, Bwin re-assesses their position. In some instances, they provide additional proof of how a player took a shot...

But as far as final result - pay the player or not, I have never disagreed with them in the end. I wish CS did a better job explaining things, but they have always handled complaints fairly.

[penstothecup]

If you have a real issue with Bwin, fill out a complaint. I have about a 100% success rate at getting to the bottom of things. In most cases, Bwin re-assesses their position. In some instances, they provide additional proof of how a player took a shot...

But as far as final result - pay the player or not, I have never disagreed with them in the end. I wish CS did a better job explaining things, but they have always handled complaints fairly.

100% success rate... From what i have read in other people's posts and threads, the only thing this Justin cares about is receiving his kickbacks from books to make problems magically disappear. The only reason i am posting this is because i read this forum almost every day and have seen so many people ask for Justins help and he does nothing to help, excpet pocket money himself and now he has the nerve to come on here and brag about a 100% success rate with a certain book...CMon dude!!!

[bwinLuser]

If you have a real issue with Bwin, fill out a complaint. I have about a 100% success rate at getting to the bottom of things. In most cases, Bwin re-assesses their position. In some instances, they provide additional proof of how a player took a shot...

But as far as final result - pay the player or not, I have never disagreed with them in the end. I wish CS did a better job explaining things, but they have always handled complaints fairly.

I posted already above.
CASE CLOSED.
I GOT MY MONEY, BUT ACCOUNT REMAINED CLOSED.

[bwinLuser]

This whole "bwin cheating with birth date" idea sounds a little strange for me...

...simply, because bwin can choose to close any account without any real reason, so they don't need to find out false excuses to shut one down....if they don't like a customer (and this often happens), they simply close the account.
No reason given, no notification sent....and this is one of the reasons why Bwin is rated as a mediocre bookmaker at SBR....their betting offer, live betting, bet types are one of the best in the whole market - (for customers betting on european sports) - but the way they often handle their customers is not the way how a big, professional bookmake should deal with their users...

I often heard bwin is dealing unprofessionally with customers....more often they make grading mistakes....but I never heard them scamming a user.

THEY MADE IT UP. 100%
I wrote few arguments in the first post.
Why they don't show your bithday in personal details ?

It sounds strange, I know, hard to believe.
But its the true.

Its like in the movie,when someone loose their identity by the goverment bad guys.
and Nobody believe him or her.

So bwin does , they pick 1 of 50, and make crazy things to him.
AND BWIN BONUS SUCKS.

To clear the 10Euro Bonus, you have to spend 50Euro just for Rake.

[Dougoudou]

If you have a real issue with Bwin, fill out a complaint. I have about a 100% success rate at getting to the bottom of things. In most cases, Bwin re-assesses their position. In some instances, they provide additional proof of how a player took a shot...

But as far as final result - pay the player or not, I have never disagreed with them in the end. I wish CS did a better job explaining things, but they have always handled complaints fairly.

I have filed a complaint with Bwin in SBR, I think it was 3 nights ago. I would be grateful if you could help me out. In the beginning I thought it was just a problem of their system, and that they would fix it immediately but 3 weeks later the account is still closed and they won't disclose a reason. At this moment I don't care anymore if they will open it or not, just getting my money would be enough, although I was never planning to withdraw, but am scared shitless now. Their CS is beyond horrific, at the end, by not saying anything, they might even convince me that I magically did something really bad and deserve all this

[Dougoudou]

By the way, I can provide all kind of relevant info to you, I believe if they let you get to the end of this you will see for yourself that it is only big incompetence on their side and nothing more.

[BWINcomFraud]

Bwin stole from me 736EUR you can see in the post on this forum for Bwin.
After I wrote about their scam, their lawyer wrote me that:
Me is not me
My cards are not mine and I am not allowed to use my cards

If 736eur they can't pay, what will happen when they will go bust, there will be thousands of accounts who won while they are bust and best hope will be for this people, is just to get their deposits back.
Bwin is 100% scam and wire fraud that I explained in my blog. The only winners will be Bwin's executives who only paying multimillion bale, escaped jail terms in France. They use lawyers and all kind of shit to stay in business, but as any scam it will stop at some point, what will happen to those stupid customers who are in the money with Bwin.
Why searching for Ladbrokes fraud, William Hill fraud there is not a single complain, all complains are only with Bwin.
It is more than a proof to me that they are scammers, they will never return me my money as they simply don't have any.

[SSLP]

Bwin is a book that thinks they can get away with anything I am scared to play there .. C book in my opinion

[moonbeam]

Here is my story.
I wanted to withdraw XXX Euro. I send ID copy.

After 15 days of "validating" and "not answering", I sent them a mail, and told that is unprofessional what they are doing there.

Day after they answered: "We closed your account"

Why?

Another day after they answered :"Beacuse entering wrong DATE OF BIRTH during the registration"

Hm, I said to myself, CAN NOT be. But I am only human, maybe i really did a mistake.Maybe I entered wrong date of birthday.

Although

1) Why they need 15 days to compare 2 dates from ID and in their DB ? Hmmmmmmm
2) They answered and closed my account immediatly , after I told them , they are unprofessional
3) After registration YOU CAN'T see NO WHERE in the personal details, your DATE of Birth. So You never can be sure, what You have entered. And they can use it against you, whenever they liked it (or need money)

4) I saw many other examples and compalints on Internet , where players had reported the same ISSUE (wrong Day of Birth). Come on guys, it can't be, that ALL of them entered wrong date ???

5) But now comes the BEST.

I remebered that once I forgot the security answer (needed to make a payout), and they requested following Info: Name, Street and Date of Birth.
I sent them all 3 Infos, and they provided me my forgoten security answer. (nobody complaimed about Date of Birth)

SO at this time the DATE WAS OK, and some time later, after I wanted to make my first withdrawal , THE DATE IS WRONG.

Isn't funny ?

I think they forgot this, when they tried to betray me...

(I have all this mail, which can prove this)

I told them all this, and day after, they said they will make payout.
I am still waiting for the money and the account is still closed...

Hard to believe, but BWIN cheats.

Moderator, why bwin has C-.

Is too much for them.

They are cheatars 100%

Because of their massive advertesing I thought they would be "sure", but ...

@ADMIN: I posted the same text on other thread as reply.Just for Info.(if needed, you can delete the old one)

Bwin is a solid book. There are a lot more shit books around than bwin

[Dougoudou]

If you are so sure they are solid, what odds would you give me that they are going down within a year? For a euro book with that huge clientelle, I would normally give 21 (20/1, +2000) any day. Would you let me bet +2000 to you?

If there has ever been a euro book this size with a REAL possibility of going down, this is it. How are you so sure it is 'solid'?

[BWINcomFraud]

Very interesting, I predict Bwin will go bust till 2015 (of course secretely I believe much earlier), I reason it here:
http://www.mkapital.com/id40.html and my analysis is a result of me carefuly reading their financial reports, provided on their corporate website. I don't write it on my website yet, as not only my customers visit it, but also other traders from investing and hedge fund world, but I personally believe that some of their financial reports are fraudulent. I want traders read this page and decide for themselves if they should sell short Bwin's stock besed on their understanding of it.
The problem with any kind of financial fraud in public companies, is that it is orchestrated by only top level executives at the company.
In most cases where auditors and investment banks don't have nothing to do with company's scam, they are provided with false numbers that are difficult to spot from the beginning, and give a company good loan, good rating, auditor provides goog looking numbers that otherwise don't correspond to the facts.
Now back to Bwin, the first thing that raises red flags to me, is that they are run only by 2 people who oversee all financial decisions, they are all to Bwin. For a company that is worth 1 billion euro on the stock market (any stock's value is not a guarantee of fair value, as some stocks are undervalued/overvalued even by thousands % up and 90% down) it is very, very suspicious. Usually management team shoul be at least twice bigger (Ladbrokes have 5 people who run a company on a daily basis http://www.ladbrokesplc.com/Our_Board/ ).
Also Bwin's structure is very complicated, they have many sister companies in different jurisdictions http://www.bwin.org/Company/AboutUs/...Structure.aspx and only one is public, others private.
Reporting and financial reports about private companies is more difficult and don't have same oversight as 1 public company.
And the fact is, Bwin is losing money even with all this complicated structure http://www.bwin.org/InvestorRelation...tienchart.aspx

I can explain short, if you don't understand where to look for main figures:
As a businees they lose 18,000,000eur before tax and 13,000,000 after tax on total revenues of 400,000,000eur.
If their current stock price is 32eur, based on quantitative analysis, it is not supported by the value in the stock as the stocks value is negative, their stock's book value is (minus) -0.39eur that can be seen from their EPS (earnings per share), for every share that is quoted at 32eur, the loss is 0.39 cents. In other words it is worthless.
Also on my website you will see, in US where Bwin stock also trades on PinkSheets, they are in the category of (DARK) GREY MARKET!, one step away from TOXIC (CAVEAT EMPTOR).
And it have a reason, in US all public company's that are quoted on US exchanges, must report by Generally Accepted Accounting Principles GAAP, this are most strict in the world. But even this didn't prevent a billion $ frauds by Enron, WorldCom, Adelphia Communications that before collapse looked like normal, very big major corporations.
I don't know what will bring down Bwin, financial fraud that I suspect will come up or that they are crashing customers daily for no reason and this will bring them down (every such customer, only from people he/she will speak to will spread to 100 in the end), or both.
But from any side I look, Bwin is in deep trouble and at the verge of going bust. That's why they need this agressive advertising as leaving customer will never come back, they can only count on new ones. And the most important is Real Madrid president, who says he doesn't believe Bwin can pay. If Bwin lose Real Madrid deal, this is it.

[bwincheater]

Here is my story.
I wanted to withdraw XXX Euro. I send ID copy.

After 15 days of "validating" and "not answering", I sent them a mail, and told that is unprofessional what they are doing there.

Day after they answered: "We closed your account"

Why?

Another day after they answered :"Beacuse entering wrong DATE OF BIRTH during the registration"

Hm, I said to myself, CAN NOT be. But I am only human, maybe i really did a mistake.Maybe I entered wrong date of birthday.

Although

1) Why they need 15 days to compare 2 dates from ID and in their DB ? Hmmmmmmm
2) They answered and closed my account immediatly , after I told them , they are unprofessional
3) After registration YOU CAN'T see NO WHERE in the personal details, your DATE of Birth. So You never can be sure, what You have entered. And they can use it against you, whenever they liked it (or need money)

4) I saw many other examples and compalints on Internet , where players had reported the same ISSUE (wrong Day of Birth). Come on guys, it can't be, that ALL of them entered wrong date ???

5) But now comes the BEST.

I remebered that once I forgot the security answer (needed to make a payout), and they requested following Info: Name, Street and Date of Birth.
I sent them all 3 Infos, and they provided me my forgoten security answer. (nobody complaimed about Date of Birth)

SO at this time the DATE WAS OK, and some time later, after I wanted to make my first withdrawal , THE DATE IS WRONG.

Isn't funny ?

I think they forgot this, when they tried to betray me...

(I have all this mail, which can prove this)

I told them all this, and day after, they said they will make payout.
I am still waiting for the money and the account is still closed...

Hard to believe, but BWIN cheats.

Moderator, why bwin has C-.

Is too much for them.

They are cheatars 100%

Because of their massive advertesing I thought they would be "sure", but ...

@ADMIN: I posted the same text on other thread as reply.Just for Info.(if needed, you can delete the old one)

Exactly the same happened to me. Incorrect date of birth

[Zelda]

High chance that they thought you are a bit too sharp for them, Bwin is well known for making up bullshit stories to get rid of players. Why they don´t just close accounts and send the balance...who knows.

Play at your own risk, they are not even allowed to operate from germany anymore, if they would follow the law...

[shadowMaster]

Sorry for the dig.

I have another fact to support this thread.
Like me, everybody receives a 10 euros bonus on birthday, and they send you an email on that day. And guess what, emails have dates, and i bet in most cases if you dig in your mailbox you will find that precious email on your birthday date. And this means you put the correct date during the registration. I guess i am the first one to remember this, lol.

Cheers

[bogdaniordache81]

bwin robbed me 2800 euros.....i made a deposit i play poker and i won some hands i had 2800 euros in my acount and i wanted to withdraw 2500 and place 300 euros bets but when i try to login the account has been disable
i call like million times i spent a lot of money in calling and those who answer you are really really stupid
they dont know anything no matter what you ask they dont know so why they give a phone number for customer support if they dont know what to say
after i saw that calls are useless i start email them, i have send them everything they ask me (id, credit card front and back, utility bill and bank statment) and after one week they contact me and they ask me to send them all the documents like i never send anything.
the next day they send me email and they apologize sayng that didnt check that i did send the documents one week before
how is this possible? its been 3 weeks now and i havent heard from them
i am desperate i dont know what to do i cant belive this is happening, i feel stupid this people are robbing my money and i cant do anything
please if someone can tell me what should i do where can i go? a lawyer police im totaly confuse right now

[lukahh]

i have used bwin for several years without problems.

[Ella600]

Did they ever tell you why having the wrong date of birth was such a huge issue rather than a simple mistake? Maybe they though you were unerage? regardless im happy you got your money.

[20Four7]

Sorry dude, I lost more when betdos went down than you did on bwin..... if you cannot spell prove how the hell do we take the rest of your claim seriously.... obviously nothing came of it because Justin didn't post a damn thing.

[Hareeba!]

I have a theory

In the US, short dates are written MM/DD/YY

Most of the rest of the world uses the more logical DD/MM/YY format

Great chance that a user makes a simple error due to unfamiliar format

[Hareeba!]

A 101% market at Betfair with 5% commission is often better than the Pinnacle market. It pays to have both.

Absolutely correct.
I do the bulk of my betting at Betfair and Pinnacle these days and naturally shop where the net odds are better. The fact that my Betfair turnover exceeds my Pinnacle turnover is testament to Santo's point.
In fact on the odds front it is even more in favour of Betfair as I often bet with Pinnacle when there's not currently enough liquidity at Betfair and I want to get to bed rather than take a chance on being matched later at Betfair.

And the more you play at Betfair the lower your commission rate, which (unlike Matchbook's) is applied only to your wins.

[bwinLuser]

Sorry dude, I lost more when betdos went down than you did on bwin..... if you cannot spell prove how the hell do we take the rest of your claim seriously.... obviously nothing came of it because Justin didn't post a damn thing.

How much You lost elsewhere, is irrelevant for the discussion.
Yes spelling problems occurs, because I type quickly and English is not my native language, which also is not important for the discussion.
If Justin wants to public it, I have all e-mails, which prOOve (with the OO) my claims.

PS: All in all, you told nothing smart.

[sq764]

If they don't pay you, how much money are you out because of them lying?

if its $1 or $10,000 it shouldnt matter IMO

[WILD WEST]

They can't survive financially, so they need to go the way of fraud and scam to steal from the winners. Bewin is only for the losers, Ladbrokes is for everybody. Ladbrokes never stole a penny from me, Bwin stole 1000$. PartyBets paid me many times over 5000$ in wires, 100-1000$ tens of times, 48hrs and money is in the bank, no questions asked. You won, you won. You lost, you lost. But Bwin fucks if you win, always. I never heared a one good word about Bwin, only complaints. I never heared a bad word about Ladbrokes or PartyBets, never. That's why Bwin I hope will evaporate for the benefit to all the players from all the world. no Bwin, no Problem :-)

[Dr.Gonzo]

Never heard a bad word about partybets?

I placed one bet with partybets and lost and they limited my account.

Even though I was paying a fortune in rake to their poker site.

[dushi]

Yes bwin are very big thieves.You can play also slotsmachines and I you play 20 euro and you wil never go up.It wil turn and eat yout whole money an do not gave nothing back.They are thieves and cheaters.

[FourLengthsClear]

Yes bwin are very big thieves.You can play also slotsmachines and I you play 20 euro and you wil never go up.It wil turn and eat yout whole money an do not gave nothing back.They are thieves and cheaters.

You lost money playing video slots? Surely not.

[Ruifgalmeida]

Yes bwin are very big thieves.You can play also slotsmachines and I you play 20 euro and you wil never go up.It wil turn and eat yout whole money an do not gave nothing back.They are thieves and cheaters.

slotmachine realy ? where you expecting to make any money on that