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  • Qdog
    SBR Rookie
    • 10-24-19
    • 11

    #1
    BetDSI holding out 30k [Resolved]
    Hello,

    Wanted to share my experience w/ DSI in hopes someone can help, and also to inform the community of how I am currently being treated. I started by depositing $1500 into my account last month, and promptly lost it. I then reloaded $5000, accepted their bonus (complete with outrageous rollover conditions, 25x or about $225,000 worth of rollover!) and went on a winning streak, running my account up to around 30k, including the bonus. This all happened quite quickly, over a period of a few weeks.

    Amazing as it sounds, I wasn’t concerned about meeting the rollover, even a ridiculously huge one like this, because I bet enough throughout the season to easily meet it. Unfortunately at this point, after my winning streak, BetDSI cut me off from almost every betting option possible (e.g. live betting, retro book, etc) and reduced my limits from $1000 to $50, a reduction of 95%! It goes without saying that this made it much, much, much, more difficult to meet their excessive rollover conditions, and is not very ethical or fair to change the bonus rules/betting limits after the fact. $50 limits to reach a $225,000 rollover is just not reasonable. I called and protested this, simply asking for reinstatement of higher limits to meet my rollover, but they refused to budge and said I could either continue “playing by their rules” or forfeit all my winnings and just take my initial deposit. So DSI is allowed to change the rules of the bonus after the fact, but I have no recourse myself. How is that fair?

    Unfortunately, I was given no choice but to painfully meet this rollover, and did so after placing many $50 bets finally reaching 100% rollover completion at the start of last week. I requested a payout at this point, and this is where I am encountering my latest issues. DSI has been saying my rollover is “under review” for almost two weeks now. When I ask for a timeline of completion, they refuse to provide one. When I ask to speak to a manager, they say no managers are in. This has been going on for almost two weeks, and it’s giving me the impression they aren’t interested in helping or paying me. I have probably had about 50 different chat sessions/phone calls, and yet nobody has been able to provide me any clarity on this situation, or a timeline. It’s concerning. I told them they were leaving me no choice but to file a complaint; they didn’t seem to care - which is also concerning.

    It seems that DSI is shifting from clearly doing something unethical (changing bonus/rollover conditions) into something illegal (stiffing players on payment), which is concerning to me, and probably to the community as well. I don’t know why I’m being treated this way, but all I’m looking for is to be treated honestly, and be paid out on the money I won from them fairly. If nothing else, at least the broader community knows to avoid them, unless you want your $ stolen by them, too. I am hoping SBR can help get some resolution for me, and I have filed a complaint through the website. I am hopeful going through this process will help, and will at least provide important transparency into how DSI is treating its customers.

    Yes, I’m aware this is a C- book w/ a terrible rep, and should’ve been smarter than to have deposited $ here, but unfortunately the situation is what it is at this point. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer…

    Qdog
    Last edited by Optional; 11-20-19, 05:02 PM.
  • JoeCool20
    SBR MVP
    • 05-31-18
    • 4440

    #2
    Yes several people will begin to post about DSI cheating them too. I'm not against you,

    but unfortunately it is not "Illegal" for these places to lie cheat or even flat out steal from players!

    It brings up one of my favorite posts to put on here... If you choose to send your money overseas to a

    bunch of strangers and then "Hope" they don't cheat you or steal your money, then good luck! Because if

    they DO cheat you or steal your money, then there ain't a DAMN thing that you can do about it!
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    • Qdog
      SBR Rookie
      • 10-24-19
      • 11

      #3
      Fair enough Joe, but if DSI is going to blatantly steal from players, others should know about it. Otherwise there is zero accountability and they will continue to do it.

      Also, on the topic of trusting "strangers" at sportsbooks, I have probably bet at over 10 different online books and never experienced anything like this. I refuse to believe this is the norm, as it hasn't been my experience until this regrettable encounter w/ DSI.
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      • winnerloser
        SBR Hustler
        • 11-17-16
        • 72

        #4
        lol.
        Last edited by winnerloser; 10-24-19, 05:39 PM.
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        • PD77
          SBR MVP
          • 12-11-09
          • 2381

          #5
          You met a $225,000 rollover betting $50 a pop in less than two months?

          That is roughly 75 wagers a day. That’s incredible, hope you get paid.
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          • DroopyDog
            SBR MVP
            • 11-03-16
            • 1255

            #6
            DSI is absolutely terrible, they have done this exact thing to several people. I hope for your sake SBR has some pull with the people there.

            C- is generous
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            • Waterstpub87
              SBR MVP
              • 09-09-09
              • 4102

              #7
              Hope you get your money dog.
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              • mtneer1212
                SBR MVP
                • 06-22-08
                • 4993

                #8
                Reducing your limits to $50 is unethical. Now delaying the payout is criminal. BetDSI is becoming for like BetUS every day..... this will be the first of many BetDSI complaints, and they obviously don't want/can't pay.

                I've said it time and time again -- why play at a place like this? I don't care how good the bonus is or how slow the lines move..... if they don't pay, it doesn't matter.
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                • semibluff
                  SBR MVP
                  • 04-12-16
                  • 1515

                  #9
                  I don't think anyone who reads this forum will be surprised by this thread. All the op can do is fill in an SBR complaint form and hope.

                  I think SBR should impose a 1 grade downgrade on every book that won't guarantee to reduce an outstanding rollover target by the same proportion they reduce a customer's maximum bet. A rollover should never be more than 200 maximum stake bets.
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                  • Optional
                    Administrator
                    • 06-10-10
                    • 60680

                    #10
                    Did you submit a sportsbook complaint form Qdog?

                    How did you know your rollover was completed? Did the website tell you or did you calculate it yourself?


                    I agree with the comments about how they should act reasonably in these situations, but reducing betting limits per se is not a breach of bonus terms.
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                    • milwaukee mike
                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                      • 08-22-07
                      • 26914

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Optional
                      Did you submit a sportsbook complaint form Qdog?

                      How did you know your rollover was completed? Did the website tell you or did you calculate it yourself?


                      I agree with the comments about how they should act reasonably in these situations, but reducing betting limits per se is not a breach of bonus terms.
                      if he just deposited last month, i think there is a rollover calculator on the website for bonus funds... they added that for any new deposits about 10 months ago
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                      • Qdog
                        SBR Rookie
                        • 10-24-19
                        • 11

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Optional
                        Did you submit a sportsbook complaint form Qdog?

                        How did you know your rollover was completed? Did the website tell you or did you calculate it yourself?


                        I agree with the comments about how they should act reasonably in these situations, but reducing betting limits per se is not a breach of bonus terms.
                        Hey Optional,

                        Thanks for looking into this. Yes, I filed a complaint yesterday after I felt I had no other recourse. Just to be clear, the complaint wasn’t about them unreasonably reducing my limits, it’s about them refusing to talk to me and tell me what’s going on after I met the rollover, and now want to withdraw some $. And can’t.

                        And yes, there is a calculator on the website that shows rollover progress. I’ve been at 100% for a couple weeks, yet still can’t get my $. Doesn’t seem right. I really hope SBR can help. Please let me know if I can provide any other info and thanks for your efforts, I do appreciate it.
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                        • Optional
                          Administrator
                          • 06-10-10
                          • 60680

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Qdog

                          Hey Optional,

                          Thanks for looking into this. Yes, I filed a complaint yesterday after I felt I had no other recourse. Just to be clear, the complaint wasn’t about them unreasonably reducing my limits, it’s about them refusing to talk to me and tell me what’s going on after I met the rollover, and now want to withdraw some $. And can’t.

                          And yes, there is a calculator on the website that shows rollover progress. I’ve been at 100% for a couple weeks, yet still can’t get my $. Doesn’t seem right. I really hope SBR can help. Please let me know if I can provide any other info and thanks for your efforts, I do appreciate it.
                          That sounds pretty clear.

                          Hopefully we can help you get an explanation as to why the long delay at the very least.
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                          • Qdog
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 10-24-19
                            • 11

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Optional
                            That sounds pretty clear.

                            Hopefully we can help you get an explanation as to why the long delay at the very least.
                            I really hope so, and thanks again. I am just looking for information at this point, and of course ultimately to get my $ that is trapped in there, including my original deposit.

                            Do we know if DSI has actually stiffed/stolen from players previously? I have read about other shady behavior, including taking 8 months to payout one guy- but not sure I remember seeing an instance where they outright just never paid. I would expect their rating to be worse than C- if they were in the business of robbing players.

                            I will keep the board updated on my situation and thanks everyone for the feedback...
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                            • Qdog
                              SBR Rookie
                              • 10-24-19
                              • 11

                              #15
                              ***Update***

                              I'm not sure if it's just a total coincidence w/ me finally filing a complaint, but after two weeks, I finally received a tangible update from them.

                              They say they've been auditing my rollover and some wagers included betting both sides of a game, which they have deemed ineligible towards the rollover. They say once I meet that remaining rollover, I can withdraw my funds.

                              My take: I think (relatively speaking) this is a reasonable request, and I'm going to grind out this remaining rollover, then try to withdraw some funds, finally. What I don't understand, is why didn't DSI just communicate this the 50 times previously when I contacted them? They wouldn't tell me what the issue was, when the rollover review would be completed, etc. Even when I said I was going to file a complaint, as I was concerned about the terrible communication and security of my money, they still refused to give me any info.

                              Not sure if SBR helped get some traction here, but I very much appreciate your engagement either way. I am going to finish up this rollover, then attempt to withdraw funds at that point. I will most certainly keep you all updated here, and hope that DSI will do the right thing and pay me once this is cleared.

                              Thanks again everyone.

                              Qdog
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                              • DR225
                                SBR MVP
                                • 02-24-11
                                • 2011

                                #16
                                I'm not sure if you're just stubborn or courageous or whatever but this is the most impressive feat I've seen on this forum. I would've instantly requested for the return of my 5k deposit rather than continuing to fulfill the massive rollover with $50 max bets. Good luck on completing the leftover rollover portion!
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                                • Qdog
                                  SBR Rookie
                                  • 10-24-19
                                  • 11

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by DR225
                                  I'm not sure if you're just stubborn or courageous or whatever but this is the most impressive feat I've seen on this forum. I would've instantly requested for the return of my 5k deposit rather than continuing to fulfill the massive rollover with $50 max bets. Good luck on completing the leftover rollover portion!
                                  Thanks for the kind words. Honestly, I earned that money and just want to be paid out on it. DSI is obviously making that as challenging as possible, but I intend to plow through this and claim my hard earned $. Definitely not an easy thing to grind out, but I will get there.
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                                  • badgerboy30
                                    SBR Rookie
                                    • 02-19-16
                                    • 1

                                    #18
                                    Happened to me too! They need to be graded -FFF took $2500 out of my account.
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                                    • Ksherm
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 07-13-10
                                      • 1059

                                      #19
                                      Too much of these places lowering limits these days.. You win once and they dont want your business.. Bad business!! Betmania just did that to me..
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                                      • sweep
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 10-09-10
                                        • 16753

                                        #20
                                        What is your new rollover Qdog ?
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                                        • DISTROYA
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 04-26-12
                                          • 2911

                                          #21
                                          so....were you betting both side of a game or not as they said you were?
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                                          • Qdog
                                            SBR Rookie
                                            • 10-24-19
                                            • 11

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by DISTROYA
                                            so....were you betting both side of a game or not as they said you were?
                                            If you’re asking if I met a $225,000 rollover by betting both sides of games the entire time, the answer is obviously no. The juice alone would have wiped out my entire account.

                                            But initially, right when they reduced my limits to $50, I was literally betting on everything on the board. I did have some wagers on both sides of games, and they notified me of this, and told me this wouldn’t count towards my rollover. I have no problem with this.

                                            It’s obviously a small fraction of the total rollover, and while it’s frustrating to have to make more $50 bets, it’s very doable. When I asked for a copy of the audit to show exactly which bets they flagged, they would not provide this to me.
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                                            • DISTROYA
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 04-26-12
                                              • 2911

                                              #23
                                              man...good luck. about a year with them, always paid out quickly, but I too have a massive rollover with no end in sight currently. Wish can clear it out. Also a ton of futures placed, so safe to say wont see any payout the next full year, and thats at regular limits.
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                                              • PD77
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 12-11-09
                                                • 2381

                                                #24
                                                I wonder how many people have a massive rollover with minimal limits. I guess $50 is better than $5 , which I’ve heard some have been reduced to. I don’t see how it can’t be a breach of the T&c’s of the bonus. What if they limited you to .01, effectively making it impossible to complete the rollover? Is that a breach of the T&C’s? SBR needs to do the right thing here and give BetDsi an F grade. This is not the same BETDSI it was while under the Bookmaker umbrella, even though they did not change the name.
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                                                • sweep
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 10-09-10
                                                  • 16753

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by sweep
                                                  What is your new rollover Qdog ?
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                                                  • sweep
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 10-09-10
                                                    • 16753

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by PD77
                                                    I wonder how many people have a massive rollover with minimal limits. I guess $50 is better than $5 , which I’ve heard some have been reduced to. I don’t see how it can’t be a breach of the T&c’s of the bonus. What if they limited you to .01, effectively making it impossible to complete the rollover? Is that a breach of the T&C’s? SBR needs to do the right thing here and give BetDsi an F grade. This is not the same BETDSI it was while under the Bookmaker umbrella, even though they did not change the name.
                                                    Ive seen some books pay out prorated payouts based on remaining rollovers w/ reduced limits
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                                                    • milwaukee mike
                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                      • 08-22-07
                                                      • 26914

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by DR225
                                                      I'm not sure if you're just stubborn or courageous or whatever but this is the most impressive feat I've seen on this forum. I would've instantly requested for the return of my 5k deposit rather than continuing to fulfill the massive rollover with $50 max bets. Good luck on completing the leftover rollover portion!
                                                      so you would've been happy with 5k instead of 30k? he was already way up before they reduced his limits to 50
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                                                      • IrishStoner
                                                        SBR Rookie
                                                        • 10-23-11
                                                        • 32

                                                        #28
                                                        I am also having an issue with this book collecting recently. It's a much smaller amount but they are still giving me the run around even though I did everything they asked. The difference with my issue is that I have been with this book for some time now without any issues now they are making up anything to give me a hard time.
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                                                        • Qdog
                                                          SBR Rookie
                                                          • 10-24-19
                                                          • 11

                                                          #29
                                                          Quick update to share. DSI has lifted my limits from $50 to $200 as I move to meet the remaining rollover they asked me to clear. This came after some engagement from the SBR side, so thanks very much to SBR for your efforts.

                                                          I anticipate having the remaining rollover cleared in the next 24-48 hrs. I'll let you all know as soon as that happens and I request a payout.

                                                          Qdog
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                                                          • Microphone
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 01-08-08
                                                            • 2950

                                                            #30
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                                                            • DISTROYA
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 04-26-12
                                                              • 2911

                                                              #31
                                                              thats great...keep us updated. Bet a lotta live there and they dont count for rollover, sucks.
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                                                              • DISTROYA
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 04-26-12
                                                                • 2911

                                                                #32
                                                                betmania is terrible and their lines are awful. they use the betphoenix platform which make me wanna puke. When you see this platform (which is popping up everywhere) RUN, dont walk away.
                                                                Jacked-up juices and zero value.
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                                                                • BAUS
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 08-10-05
                                                                  • 2191

                                                                  #33
                                                                  QDog,

                                                                  Typically there is a $25,000 “maximum cash out” for any DSI bonus. Are they holding you to that clause?

                                                                  BAUS
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                                                                  • Waterstpub87
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 09-09-09
                                                                    • 4102

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by DISTROYA
                                                                    betmania is terrible and their lines are awful. they use the betphoenix platform which make me wanna puke. When you see this platform (which is popping up everywhere) RUN, dont walk away.
                                                                    Jacked-up juices and zero value.
                                                                    I like betmanias platform. Plus the bonus rollover is only on freeplays wins, rather than the entire amount . Plus you get-107 on top of 200% freeplay. Not the worst deal out there.
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                                                                    • milwaukee mike
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 08-22-07
                                                                      • 26914

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by DISTROYA
                                                                      betmania is terrible and their lines are awful. they use the betphoenix platform which make me wanna puke. When you see this platform (which is popping up everywhere) RUN, dont walk away.
                                                                      Jacked-up juices and zero value.
                                                                      zero value? you're not looking hard enough
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