5Dimes to Start Charging Withdrawal Fees for Non-BTC Exclusive & Sportsbook Transfers

**pologq** · 07-04-20, 07:37 PM

really trying to deter from cc deposits

**HedgeHog** · 07-04-20, 08:09 PM

What a shiit move. They want everyone to become BTC exclusive so they can fukk them on their send/receive price--where they always get the better rate. Happy 4th of July US clients--now grab your ankles.

**DontTailMe** · 07-04-20, 08:27 PM

As has been pointed out, there is a way to evade being screwed on the BTC price at 5D.

First, using a proper transaction fee will get it there in time. But also, sending them an amount which is different from what you stated will have it calculated at the current exchange rate.

So really there’s no reason to fear that.

**HedgeHog** · 07-04-20, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by DontTailMe

As has been pointed out, there is a way to evade being screwed on the BTC price at 5D.

First, using a proper transaction fee will get it there in time. But also, sending them an amount which is different from what you stated will have it calculated at re current exchange rate.

So really there’s no reason to fear that.

Bullshiit. 5D often requires 6 or more confirmations, guaranteeing that the 15 minute window expires. Their system is rigged to its benefit.

**mrpapageorgio** · 07-04-20, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by DontTailMe

First, using a proper transaction fee will get it there in time.

I've seen it happen plenty of times for whatever reason the Bitcoin network happens to be slow and it takes 20, 30, even 40 minutes for a block to be mined........well beyond the 15 minute window.

**PD77** · 07-04-20, 08:52 PM

That’s fine and dandy but they need to promote Bitcoin by processing withdrawals faster than 48 hours. That’s bullshit. And I always use an expedited fee when I send to 5D and they credit it whenever they feel like it. 1 confirmation or 6. I personally think they wait longer if the price is trending down. Doesn’t matter they make money either way off of every single transaction. Worst case is break even for them. And I’ve tried the method of sending a different amount than requested, does not work. You still lose if BTC price goes up. Bitcoin was and is revolutionary for online gambling, too bad 5D is so damn stingy and slow with it. Did they forget they used to reimburse the fees for M.G. and W.U.? And what a pain in the ass both of those were.

**bubba** · 07-05-20, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by mrpapageorgio

Just logged into 5Dimes and had this alert before proceeding:

do they still offer 1 free payout a month?

**Optional** · 07-05-20, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by bubba

do they still offer 1 free payout a month?

It was one per week last I knew?

**HedgeHog** · 07-05-20, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by bubba

do they still offer 1 free payout a month?

You can still get one free check payout every 30 days...for now anyway.

**BigdaddyQH** · 07-05-20, 10:29 AM

Keep wagering off line and keep getting screwed. This will never change.

**DontTailMe** · 07-05-20, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

Bullshiit. 5D often requires 6 or more confirmations, guaranteeing that the 15 minute window expires. Their system is rigged to its benefit.

Originally posted by mrpapageorgio

I've seen it happen plenty of times for whatever reason the Bitcoin network happens to be slow and it takes 20, 30, even 40 minutes for a block to be mined........well beyond the 15 minute window.

Even if this is true, if you read the rest of my post, there's still no reason to fear it. You just have to take the proper steps.

**mrpapageorgio** · 07-05-20, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by DontTailMe

Even if this is true, if you read the rest of my post, there's still no reason to fear it. You just have to take the proper steps.

How can we not fear it if there are things being out of our control no matter how high we set the fee like the instances where the network is taking over a half hour to mine a block?

**HedgeHog** · 07-05-20, 04:56 PM

The 3% sportsbook transfer fee is especially alarming to me. I often send money back and forth between 5D and Heritage. That option is now dead to me.

**DontTailMe** · 07-05-20, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by mrpapageorgio

How can we not fear it if there are things being out of our control no matter how high we set the fee like the instances where the network is taking over a half hour to mine a block?

Like I said, you just have to read the rest of my post which you quoted.

Originally posted by DontTailMe

As has been pointed out, there is a way to evade being screwed on the BTC price at 5D.First, using a proper transaction fee will get it there in time. But also, sending them an amount which is different from what you stated will have it calculated at the current exchange rate.So really there’s no reason to fear that.

**mrpapageorgio** · 07-05-20, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by DontTailMe

Like I said, you just have to read the rest of my post which you quoted.

I've never had that happen, so explain that. It's always the same Bitcoin value quote.

**Optional** · 07-05-20, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by mrpapageorgio

I've never had that happen, so explain that. It's always the same Bitcoin value quote.

It can only be "the same bitcoin quote" if you send the exact amount of bitcoin they tell you to. Send a bit more and it gets calculated at the time it's received.

**mrpapageorgio** · 07-05-20, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by Optional

It can only be "the same bitcoin quote" if you send the exact amount of bitcoin they tell you to. Send a bit more and it gets calculated at the time it's received.

I've done that, it still gives me the same bitcoin "price". I obviously get more money since I sent more Bitcoin but the quoted price is the same when I've done it.

**Optional** · 07-05-20, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by mrpapageorgio

I've done that, it still gives me the same bitcoin "price". I obviously get more money since I sent more Bitcoin but the quoted price is the same when I've done it.

Ok, whatever.

Every time Hedgehog brings this up someone else explains the same thing, but somehow for you guys it doesn't happen. That sucks.

**mrpapageorgio** · 07-05-20, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Optional

Ok, whatever.

Every time Hedgehog brings this up someone else explains the same thing, but somehow for you guys it doesn't happen. That sucks.

I don't have the problem with Bovada and I don't have the problem with BetOnline. It seems with them as long as the fee is high enough, the deposit will credit before one confirmation. Why does 5D make that so hard between that and their 2-3 day payouts? I got my payout in 5 minutes from BOL today. Why is handling bitcoin deposits and payouts so hard for 5D to make convenient for players instead of people having to use these "workarounds" that don't seem to work for everyone yet there are books that seem to have a grasp on it?

**Optional** · 07-06-20, 06:47 AM

Originally posted by mrpapageorgio

I don't have the problem with Bovada and I don't have the problem with BetOnline. It seems with them as long as the fee is high enough, the deposit will credit before one confirmation. Why does 5D make that so hard between that and their 2-3 day payouts? I got my payout in 5 minutes from BOL today. Why is handling bitcoin deposits and payouts so hard for 5D to make convenient for players instead of people having to use these "workarounds" that don't seem to work for everyone yet there are books that seem to have a grasp on it?

I dunno MrP. But given it's so easy to "work around" and has been the same way for years, personally I am not seeing it as bad problem. Just a quirk of 5Dimes.

**PD77** · 07-06-20, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by mrpapageorgio

I don't have the problem with Bovada and I don't have the problem with BetOnline. It seems with them as long as the fee is high enough, the deposit will credit before one confirmation. Why does 5D make that so hard between that and their 2-3 day payouts? I got my payout in 5 minutes from BOL today. Why is handling bitcoin deposits and payouts so hard for 5D to make convenient for players instead of people having to use these "workarounds" that don't seem to work for everyone yet there are books that seem to have a grasp on it?

At this point, the only logical explanation to your question of why 5D does what they do with bitcoin is because it makes them money. And it adds up if they’re taking in a thousands of deposits per week. I used to think it was for security and fear of a bitcoin double spend and this could be true for newer customers but doesn’t add up for anyone else. Of course a withdrawal couldn’t be performed until a transaction confirms, or no playing poker, but they still hold all of the funds if the transaction doesn’t confirm. Most places I play at credit the deposit as soon as the transaction hits the network, some wait for one confirmation. If they’re that scared of getting burned perhaps switching to a faster and more secure cryptocurrency would work but I don’t see that happening. I guess we’ve become spoiled with bitcoin because even as slow as it is at 5D’s it’s still better than going to Walmart and sending cash to Hector Montero Santiago Chavez in Guatemala and having to go back because you sent it in pesos and spelled his name incorrectly. That was infuriating.

**clockwise1965** · 07-06-20, 07:50 AM

This is a dumb move from 5dimes from a customer service stand point. Its obvious they are trying to be a BTC based platform.

It will cost 5dimes alot of customer.

I use and like 5dimes but this new policy will make current 5dimes members consider moving to other offshore books.

**HedgeHog** · 07-06-20, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by clockwise1965

This is a dumb move from 5dimes from a customer service stand point. Its obvious they are trying to be a BTC based platform.

It will cost 5dimes alot of customer.

I use and like 5dimes but this new policy will make current 5dimes members consider moving to other offshore books.

Some years back BOL was charging a similar fee for BTC transactions. They finally realized it was bad for business and ended it. Too bad 5D didn't learn from that mistake.

**greenpad** · 07-06-20, 09:19 AM

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**themike78** · 07-06-20, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by greenpad

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I completely agree.

**Optional** · 07-06-20, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by greenpad

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Last edited by greenpad; Today at 12:43 AM. Reason: Pocket dialed this message

Glad you explained! I checked your post history wondering WTF was going on

**Bedrockfred** · 07-06-20, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by greenpad

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Good point. Thanks for the clarification.

**DISTROYA** · 07-06-20, 10:55 AM

Im confused....when I logged in it said 3% fee for all "non-exclusive" customers. Are they referring to BTC in terms of being exclusive, or their vip customers or what?

**apatjude** · 07-06-20, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by DISTROYA

Im confused....when I logged in it said 3% fee for all "non-exclusive" customers. Are they referring to BTC in terms of being exclusive, or their vip customers or what?

It's for anyone that has ever used a single credit card deposit on their account ever.

**Optional** · 07-06-20, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by DISTROYA

Im confused....when I logged in it said 3% fee for all "non-exclusive" customers. Are they referring to BTC in terms of being exclusive, or their vip customers or what?

Originally posted by apatjude

It's for anyone that has ever used a single credit card deposit on their account ever.

"Bitcoin exclusive" means you have made at least your last three deposits in a row via that method.

**apatjude** · 07-06-20, 11:20 AM

More concerning is it sounds like they are going to eliminate BTC payouts altogether in the future if you are not deemed BTC exclusive.

With fee or not there is a big possibility this method at some point will not available for you since this method is especially for our Exclusive customers. My recommendation is you become Exclusive.

To become exclusive, you need to play through or withdraw your balance to $0 both available & pending 3 times and each of your three BTC deposits after your account is at $0 must range closely to the average amount per deposit for all previous deposits. After the 3rd deposit you make via Bitcoins, management will review your account and decide if it can be converted to a BTC exclusive profile.

My understanding is that BTC payouts can occur once every 7 days and take 2-3 days of processing each time, this would be a three-four week process for high rollers playing with big balances.

**apatjude** · 07-06-20, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by Optional

"Bitcoin exclusive" means you have made at least your last three deposits in a row via that method.

Partially true. They say the 3 deposits have to be made after $0 available/pending balance. I know a lot of players probably deposit more if they have all their funds tied up in pending bets.

**QuantumLeap** · 07-06-20, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by greenpad

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**DISTROYA** · 07-06-20, 02:03 PM

Pending requests before today will NOT incur the fee just chatted with someone there, FWIW