You're basically becoming a "bookie" when you lay the horse, but if you want to do it professionally you must use an automated software, I don't think a human being can do it manually... unless of course you just choose a certain horse to lose because you have some info on it.
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When Betfair first launched they used to run training courses on different aspects of using it.
I attended one where they got a successful live horse trader to demonstrate how he did it by hand.
He had each race capped before hand focusing on where he thought the horse/jockey needed to be at points in running. He setup with a bunch of bets pre race and then layed horses that were not getting the desired run until he greened out the market.
Was too stressful and too much pre race work for my taste. But he showed how it can be done without a bot.
@OP, if you can see Betfair I would avoid Orbit personally. Too many reported cases of phantom/fake bets draining user accounts where they just brush the victims off with no real help..Comment -
the In-Play liquidity on BF for US horse races is surprisingly small. For Orbit its always in the hundreds up to a thousand, for BF sometimes as little as $10. For the UK races its different as would be expected. Having now used Orbit for around 10 hrs/day every day, I'm convinced nothing shady is going on day to day. It's definitely not as fast as BF when making an In-Play bet, sometimes there's a lag of 5 seconds before you know if it was made or not. That had me suspicious of course, but in many cases it came back with much higher odds than I punched in, so it seems to look for the highest payout. And it was totally unbiased when it came to allowing those higher odds on win bets or losing bets. My one real scare was due to 2 win bets over 3 days that just 'disappeared' shortly after the race concluded. The chat person pointed out a report that shows voided bets, and turned out they were 'Voided' bets ; BF players seemingly would have had them as well, unless the BF 'off' is indeed different than the Orbit 'off' for a race. (I need to verify that). I finally had a losing bet voided, so I'll chalk it all up to coincidence. Hundreds of bets, a few voided ... it's not a shock in retrospect.Comment -
I was up many times with betting agents and Orbit or BookieCity (not using them that often but sometimes I do) - I had 0 problems withdrawing, but again - I've never hit a "jackpot", I've never turned $100 into $10,000 or $100,000 - I have no idea what happens if you do, I assume you would get tons of issues, KYC, security, skype calls to verify yourself, your mom, your identity, internet connection or any other reason not to pay you, I can only say if you're successful with a reasonable amount of betting - withdrawing shouldn't be an issue.Comment -
makes sense now, in reality they (the agents) are no different than Sports books, in that they can knock your bet size down to laughably small amounts. But I imagine the liquidity is pooled for all agents (any guesses how many AsianConnect would have?), so if there are 100 and each sets your max at $5, there's still $500 distributed among all the horses racing? I'd hate to have some success and see the BF in-play amounts, they are pitiful for US races.
sounds like you'd be indirectly asked to leave, being allowed to only get BF liquidity and not any Agent liquidity.Last edited by jamesrav; 05-03-24, 02:47 PM.Comment -
I know AsianConnect and BetInAsia are the two biggies for Orbit, and was wondering if the liquidity shown (for me, as an AC member) represents them combined or just AC ? If its quite separate and AC agent(s) are solely creating my liquidity, then its me vs. AC. But if the liquidity is combined, am I drawing from BIA liquidity also? And the odds shown in-play, are they originating from BF itself and AC / BIA simply has to accept them when they offer a bet? (ie AC / BIA has to rely on the expertise of the BF bettors who are offering the Lay odds)Comment -
No, the liquidity is the same with all agents - you gain access through them to the BetFair platform itself, whether it's AC88 or BIA or even BookieCity (that allows you to lay the horses), you'd have the same liquidity from all of them, it's an access to BetFair itself, the BetFair liquidity is what you get, it just could be represented via them through different numbers, such as different currencies etc.Comment -
this is not correct at all, as I pointed out above. Liquidity can vary by factor x10 or even more.
You can check it yourself by comparing the liquidity before and after logging in. The difference is the personal factor you got.
in regards to the betting exchanges, it's more the other way around. While the liquidity will always remain the same on Betfair, some people get more on Orbit. When they cut it down, then only back to the original Betfair level.Comment -
Can you broker guys help out with a question I have been sent privately?
I don't know the answer.
"My agent for Molly Bet seems to have gone MIA, do you have an agent I can deal with for funding/withdrawing? If not Molly, something highly comparable?
I'm in the US but use a VPN and can fund with crypto and no problems with using the platform in the past FWIW".Comment -
So I have decided to give bookielink a try last March and now I have been a customer of them for few months now and never had any problem so far. Good limit and liquidity, fast payout and i like their customer service.
Will update this thread with my experience with them
Is there someone from here are currently using them as well?Comment -
I just heard them now when i read your thread.
How long for them to process your withdrawal? Do they ask many docs for verification?Comment -
Anyone know the best exchanges for US punters i used to be able to use Sports Oddesy before they got mergedComment -
My friend from USA also used them before but I never had a chance to try them for myself.
Are they no longer available now? Who they merged to?Comment -
Orbitx issue with BetinAsia
"OPEN AN ACCOUNT NOW only with our PREFERRED partners BET-FOOTBALL and ASIANCONNECT. Protect your account. Login only using this site URL to avoid phishing scams. We’ll never ask you to login on any other site or URL. Your account will be suspended after 3 attempts, please contact your agent if this occurs."
Posted on Orbitx website NOW and many customers of Betinasia are not able to access their orbitx account now based on this link.
They suddenly put Asianconnect as their preferred partners, anyone here who also cannot access their orbitx account under bia?
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I also hear water is wet.
OrbitX and BIA should be avoided at all times.Comment -
Only a few years of dozens of reports of fake bets draining Betinasia/OrbitX accounts with zero help from OrbitX for users affected by the scam before they do anything...
About time. But still looks like Orbit want to blame everyone else but themselves.
You would have to be desperate to risk even 1 dollar with any of these shysters after so many instances of their involvement in ripping off users and making no effort to help anyone recover funds..Comment -
Orbitx just ended work w BIA (or overall idk that). It came earlier than expected, BIA has "sharp exchange" that was not fully ready yet but they opened it now cuz of this news. your balance will be carried to BIA account and you can easily open sharp exc. account and continue betting. Depending on several factors it can take bit time of course as its LOT OF work to transfer all this... so some users migh have everything settled already but some still in ---- . Dont worry. Sharp exchange is you can back and lay but like i sayd before this orbtix closure came way earlier for BIA aswel so patience is key. They have tons of requests currently but everything will be transfered to your BIA account. If u had open bets and u need hedge something use other service meanwhile. All open bets will be honored normal way and wins transfered to bia account. new exchange comission is 2.5% what i have heard, so win.Comment -
^^^ Search for betinasia or bia with the forum search box and you will see many posts about Betinasia problems for users.
The owner of Betinasia contacted SBR saying he wanted to discuss any issues. When a list of issues were sent to him he ran away and siad no more.
He even claimed Betinasia has never had any problems for players at all.
Cannot be trusted.
RUN AWAY IF YOU CAN GET YOUR MONEY OUT OF THEIR "sharp exchange"..Comment -
Apparently, sharp exchange was just launched but so many issues and complaints already. ��Comment -
I actually regret opening an account with BetinAsia.
So far bookielink is the one who I think have the better service along with AsianconnectComment -
is this 'fake bet' thing confined to BIA and not AsianConnect ? Considering the similar names, assumed client base (Asia, maybe China in particular) I thought these were essentially the same thing. I joined AsianConnect several years ago and have had no problems, and make several hundred horse bets/month. Maybe members of BIA are trying to take advantage of things.Comment -
I haven't spoken with them for a few years but the owner used to come across as wanting to be helpful and fair solving complaint issues.
I can't recall for sure if they had any fake bet reports, but it was more than 90% BIA. We could have just heard about it more with them as they were so unhelpful to anyone affected too..Comment -
reading about this on another forum, it sounds like the dissolution come about very fast, leaving thousands of accounts in limbo. Those with active bets who are into arbitrage face some bad consequences if they cant do what they expected to do in time. Must have been some bad blood between Orbit and BIA.Comment -
There's a thread over on Arbusers about a case at AC (they were able to resolve), so some of their accounts were indeed affected as well
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Yeah I do think there was a handful there but memory was foggy. I think mainly because AC did what they could to help people so none of them blew up like the BIA ones all did. Don't think BIA solved, or helped with, a single one that was reported here..Comment -
On black is it safe to play now no problems with withdrawing money? The problem is only with Orbit?Comment -
I agree with this. I think there's must really a worst reason beyond this that results to sudden closure of Orbit on BIA.
Of course BIA will be play safe with all of these limbo and won't tell the truth.Comment -
Have you had any problems with withdrawing money in recent days?Comment
