Cloudbet confiscated $15,000 due to providing verification documents from USA citizen

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-10-20, 07:18 AM

I sent in as per Mexico:
Financial Statements with my Mexico address, received via mail
Handwritten letter from my landlord with the rented address
Payment statements to my landlord in Mexico along with that note
A receipt for a week I recently paid in an AirBnB like situation in Mexico.

I shouldn't have to provide more than that. If so, please tell me what else. I shouldn't have to deal with all this, I've sent in enough documents to impersonate me a gazillion times over. You're fraudsters, you're scammers, you're the lowest of the low, Cloudbet. I just am starting to get concerned that you're in a bit too deep on this one.

It's obvious that you work for the site. so with that, i'm done arguing. I'm just going to come after Cloudbet for the money. Until then, good luck trying to tell me off. Seriously good luck. You need it with how sharp I am at betting against you guys!!

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-10-20, 07:48 AM

Whether I was caught or not, shouldn't matter. I have told you and provided evidence that I have been in Mexico. I don't want to keep sending documents out to the world. I would hope Cloudbet would respect my privacy. I have already given my name out to so many people. I have been in the community for a long time in bitcoin and I could tell people who I am, but I don't feel it would benefit me in any way because I have a life outside of gambling even though I'm so sharp that books want to limit and steal from me at this point.

What matters is that I am paid back the deposits. the 67 BCH account balance is less than the deposits. It's two cashouts of 34 BCH and 33 BCH. You guys have cashed me out 360 BCH and i've deposited 360 BCH in that ball park. So what changes now that you can just steal my last deposits and freeroll me, waiting until I don't lose and request a cashout?

The argument is not whether I was in the USA or not. The argument is why is Cloudbet ruining their reputation by not returning the last deposits of an accused USA bettor?

**littlekona** · 10-10-20, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by DoubleRedDragon

I sent in as per Mexico:
It's obvious that you work for the site. so with that, i'm done arguing. I'm just going to come after Cloudbet for the money. Until then, good luck trying to tell me off. Seriously good luck. You need it with how sharp I am at betting against you guys!!

haha you will be bye bye soon here....dude your a wreck why would SBR even want to try to help you since you do not listen...

**vanzack** · 10-10-20, 08:35 AM

Red Dragon - serious question - Cloudbet offered to you that they would abide by an arbiters ruling in the other forum.

If you have a case, why wouldnt you agree to this?

Simple question. Doesn't need a book for a response. But it needs a response for you to keep credibility.

**cashin81** · 10-10-20, 08:38 AM

Needs a bigger font size to get my support

**RedApples** · 10-10-20, 08:38 AM

He's like every scammer out there. Textbook case. At this point I'm just thinking what name was he using on his 7 year hiatus?

**vanzack** · 10-10-20, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by RedApples

He's like every scammer out there. Textbook case. At this point I'm just thinking what name was he using on his 7 year hiatus?

Why are you even responding in that other thread? Clearly the doublereddragon is everyone in that thread. He has multiple aliases and you are responding to them all like they are unique. Look at the writing style and vocabulary.

There is only one question here.... There are 2 forums that Cloudbet agreed to abide by their decisions. Cloudbet agreed to share more info if DRD agreed to allow them. Why doesn't he want either?

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-10-20, 09:06 AM

It's been proven that Red Apples is a site owner of Cloudbet. Just fyi.

I've been in the bitcoin community rather than the sportsbetting community this whole time. Missed you guys though (not the sportsbook shills for scamming books like Cloudbet who are going down faster than a comet)

here is red apples bashing Betcoin, Cloudbet's main competitor, and even bringing up the ethics of evaporating account balances and not returning deposits. So they get off on stealing from people knowing it's very very very wrong. They seem to have a serious vendetta against the USA and US politics, making a mockery of it and constantly advertising betting odds (if you look at his account history you'll see him commenting on betting odds threads just like Cloudbet).

Also why would Cloudbet not send in the goons to sway opinion to make me look like anything but a victim?

Cloudbet's rep account on bitcointalk only logs in once or twice a week if that. It was suspiciously close to RedApples making an account, with Red Apples following the case like a hound. See here.

FYI above is cloudbet logging in, then after reading all the various threads about people enraged with Cloudbet for scamming me for my deposits claiming USA citizenship and permanent residence address in the USA is enough to be able to scam someone (read above what he said about ethics for betcoin evaporating account balances, and it goes to show you what type of people these are. they get off on scamming, they are 1st class scammers as a video above says as well)
Shortly thereafter Red Apples creates an account and unleashes about 12 posts telling me off and trying to paint an ugly picture of me.

I never asked for any of this. I just wanted sports action and to be paid when I win, or if not that at least return my deposits when I peel it off from my savings.

These people either hate the USA or they are jealous of the USA so they make a mockery of us. I've had enough. Whether I was in the USA or not is no longer an argument to me.

The argument is why would you not return my deposits regardless of anything you bring up. And why are you coming at me Red Apples? Something not adding up, eh? I'll just let the stuff settle, you can say what you want about me.. i have nothing personal against anyone, i just dont' like being scammed and I don't like what I've uncovered about others being scammed. It's unsettling. Don't know how you guys sleep at night (all of you in this little cloudbet syndicate who talk sports and bitcoin and chat on sbrforum)

to the rest of you, I respect your opinion, and i look forward to getting back to talking sports and giving tennis tips and riding and fading people and calling out greedy sportsbooks and people who hate the USA so they take advantage of us and steal from us. Not cool yo. Not cool.

**RedApples** · 10-10-20, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by vanzack

Why are you even responding in that other thread? Clearly the doublereddragon is everyone in that thread. He has multiple aliases and you are responding to them all like they are unique. Look at the writing style and vocabulary.

There is only one question here.... There are 2 forums that Cloudbet agreed to abide by their decisions. Cloudbet agreed to share more info if DRD agreed to allow them. Why doesn't he want either?

Not sure what you're talking about.. I'm responding to the 1 person that is clearly him, and responding to the only people that clearly are not. Thats been like 1 or 2 people max... also no idea why you are asking me why I'm responding to someone on a forum. I'm just trying to get the pertinent information out for the board to make a decision. You okay with me posting?

And to the bolded... thats the point I'm making. This has already been answered going back 2 weeks. You're late to the party. He is lying, and making up tons of stories. I'm just painting those stories now over there so people can see why he's dodging these things. He's decided to dodge them for a while, a lot of that was lost on the users falling for his stories. He isn't doing it because he's guilty. It's already been proven.

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-10-20, 09:14 AM

He also seems to be an expert on sportsbook laws and federal crimes in the USA and world gambling law.

Quite the expert in gambling law eh my man? just pay the money, make this all stop. please. that's all i ask.

pay me what i deposited. just pay it. Mr. owner of Cloudbet
Red Apples = Owner of Cloudbet
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l#post29742496

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-10-20, 09:21 AM

Forum moderators, can you please mediate a situation between Red Apples and I? I need you to provide me with his IP's and browser fingerprints, USA federal agents are knocking and they're trying to find him.

Red Apples, I also need driver's license, utility bill, and selfie. So I can hand that over to the feds too.

No wonder he hates USA so much. He'd be locked up for a long time for all the shady crap he pulls on our citizens.

Listen, I'm not reporting you, I just want the money I deposited. No more games.

**vanzack** · 10-10-20, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by RedApples

And to the bolded... thats the point I'm making. This has already been answered going back 2 weeks. You're late to the party..

1. Go to page 1 of this thread.
2. Look who posted first in response to original poster
3. Chill the F out dude

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-10-20, 09:32 AM

buddy you have 452 posts in 15 years. And all of a sudden you're active as heck. You work for the site too. No I won't chill out.

I want to be refunded what I put into the site. You are not to evaporate my balances, any of you.

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-10-20, 09:40 AM

He's also an expert in running a sportsbook, talking about automatic grading, clicking a button to grade bets, and you won't even believe this:turning scams into profitable marketing opportunities, sound familiar?

**vanzack** · 10-10-20, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by DoubleRedDragon

buddy you have 452 posts in 15 years. And all of a sudden you're active as heck. You work for the site too. No I won't chill out.

I want to be refunded what I put into the site. You are not to evaporate my balances, any of you.

I wasnt talking to you. Jeesh. I feel like I have entered the asylum. I am reminded why I only posted 452 times in 15 years. Back to sleep for me.

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-10-20, 09:49 AM

Remember how obsessed Cloudbet is with betting odds for USA politics and how obsessed they are in general with USA politics? You won't find a shortage of Red Apples political posts either! Dude is obviously jealous AF of USA citizens and likely scared AF about the feds. Expert in all of it.

Good luck dodging feds, you must be paranoid running such a scammy book preying on USA citizens. I know people aren't happy with you over the years... too bad you gotta deal with that the rest of your life.

Please pay me what I sent to your site.

**vanzack** · 10-10-20, 09:50 AM

And doublereddragon - I hope you get paid. I always am on the side of the player. Just some parting advice.... Take Cloudbet up on their offer of arbitration. Thats it.

GL

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-10-20, 10:42 AM

I need a resolution fast, no time for mediation. Bitcoin price is going up and I will not take any deals, I don't want to discuss the USA thing any more either, it's a moot point. Return my last deposits, do not freeroll USA players and hit them with a KYC after. I've said my piece on my story, this is a case.

I want the money now. Someone is making off interest. I want my capital now. It's a bad look for the industry.

This is serious business.

Cloudbet: I am advising you to get in touch with SBRforums immediately in order to have my rep Brad work with you in order to get me paid. Let's get this done. SBR are my boys they know what to do, they side with books but also with players let's please do what we can to get this done. You have insulted Sportsbookreview by not responding to the requests to talk to senior management.

You guys are my dawgs here at SBR since day 1, and I want this to come to a resolution fast. SBRforum can help get that done. SBR Brad is waiting to get a resolution. Please do some goodwill and pay me what I deposited that day, no more negotiating, no more absurd tactics with your reps in this thread.

**HomeRun35** · 10-10-20, 12:44 PM

This guy has to be on drugs with these posts.

Red Apples' first couple posts in this thread were some of the most helpful I've seen on this forum detailing his own personal situation with something similar and then outlining for you exactly how to prove to CloudBet that you were not in the US. I will say it's kind of weird how aggressive the Apples guy is getting but working for CloudBet? A definite no.

CloudBet not caring to deal with SBR to refute OP is not a good look. Even though OP should probably be a psych ward, I hope he gets his money back

**PharaohUB** · 10-10-20, 01:22 PM

Cloudbet promotes to us market and should hold some accountability and pay the guy. They literally just emailed me a couple days ago about how they added a new crypto option of US COIN. #1) why are they sending me emails they know I’m US. #2). Why are they adding a crypto coin called USD, #3) do they have .com address, #4) why don’t they ban my IP #5) why are American sports the main theme on their Sportsbook.

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-10-20, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by PharaohUB

Cloudbet promotes to us market and should hold some accountability and pay the guy. They literally just emailed me a couple days ago about how they added a new crypto option of US COIN. #1) why are they sending me emails they know I’m US. #2). Why are they adding a crypto coin called USD, #3) do they have .com address, #4) why don’t they ban my IP #5) why are American sports the main theme on their Sportsbook.

bingo. Please do the right thing Cloudbet, for once in your lives. Now. Like right now. Stop holding funds.

**horja1** · 10-10-20, 01:38 PM

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-10-20, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by PharaohUB

Cloudbet promotes to us market and should hold some accountability and pay the guy. They literally just emailed me a couple days ago about how they added a new crypto option of US COIN. #1) why are they sending me emails they know I’m US. #2). Why are they adding a crypto coin called USD, #3) do they have .com address, #4) why don’t they ban my IP #5) why are American sports the main theme on their Sportsbook.

Is there a way to pin a post? seriously, this is exactly it. SBRforum is complicit in this, I will admit.

Cloudbet phishes for deposits from USA bettors, and has an out to freeroll them. Not only that, they are taking my 74 BCH or more in deposits that day and evaporating the account balance and taking the deposits because I won money over time. Absolutely not, you cannot just sit and wait for a winning account to make a deposit and pull some KYC ToS bullcrap after accepting the action- subsequently stealing the deposits if they are not lost first. How can anyone stand for this?

**HomeRun35** · 10-10-20, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by DoubleRedDragon

SBRforum is complicit in this, I will admit.

You're a lunatic and losing any bit of sympathy with each additional post

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-10-20, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by PharaohUB

Cloudbet promotes to us market and should hold some accountability and pay the guy. They literally just emailed me a couple days ago about how they added a new crypto option of US COIN. #1) why are they sending me emails they know I’m US. #2). Why are they adding a crypto coin called USD, #3) do they have .com address, #4) why don’t they ban my IP #5) why are American sports the main theme on their Sportsbook.

pin this post. and pay me. PLEASE. desperate at this point. need the money back that i sent to cloudbet. the deposits, please pay back my deposits or the account balance now pleeeease.

**thechaoz** · 10-10-20, 03:39 PM

Damn OP with this BS move this is an F book

**DontTailMe** · 10-10-20, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by DoubleRedDragon

pin this post. and pay me. PLEASE. desperate at this point. need the money back that i sent to cloudbet. the deposits, please pay back my deposits or the account balance now pleeeease.

You're losing all credibility...FAST. You really should have taken your own advice and gone on posting pause for a while. I know you want the money NOW. Everyone wants their money now. But unfortunately that's not how these things work. You have almost no power, and you have to let the process play out. Meanwhile, the more you lash out at people here, the less support you're going to get.

Have you answered yet why you aren't taking them up on the arbitration offer? Why haven't you given CloudBet permission to release their evidence to SBR and/or the community at large?

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-10-20, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by DontTailMe

You're losing all credibility...FAST. You really should have taken your own advice and gone on posting pause for a while. I know you want the money NOW. Everyone wants their money now. But unfortunately that's not how these things work. You have almost no power, and you have to let the process play out. Meanwhile, the more you lash out at people here, the less support you're going to get.

Have you answered yet why you aren't taking them up on the arbitration offer? Why haven't you given CloudBet permission to release their evidence to SBR and/or the community at large?

Hi. Sorry, I value my confidentiality. This has already gone on long enough. I'm just going to go silent and let this thing play out for a while. good luck.

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-10-20, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by thechaoz

Damn OP with this BS move this is an F book

my dude, i'm F'ing telling you.

But it's ruining my life and spirit trying to fight it. I'll be back in a week to see if cloudbet does the right thing.

Until then I need to go back my normal life, one which I am fortunate to have at this point.

If any of you are on my side even just a tad, please speak up. Appreciate it more than you know. I feel so alone.

See you guys in a week. Please speak up for me if people are trying to make me look bad. I believe deep down in my heart I deserve the money I sent off that day. It was money I could not afford to have stolen from me.

**EVPlus** · 10-10-20, 04:42 PM

Quite the rabbit hole...

I agree the OP should not have taken the all-guns-blazing approach. And he's clearly no saint. However, I can't help but think his anger has some legitimacy.

Several people have mentioned arbitration. Well, how is the ruling individual(s) chosen? What affiliations, if any, do they have with Cloudbet?

It's no coincidence that when various businesses want to resolve a conflict, they prefer arbitration.

And the post below proves Cloudbet is courting U.S. players because they, like every other book, know most people are long-term losers in sports betting. And they can hold funds from big winners under their rules.

Originally posted by PharaohUB

Cloudbet promotes to us market and should hold some accountability and pay the guy. They literally just emailed me a couple days ago about how they added a new crypto option of US COIN. #1) why are they sending me emails they know I’m US. #2). Why are they adding a crypto coin called USD, #3) do they have .com address, #4) why don’t they ban my IP #5) why are American sports the main theme on their Sportsbook.

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-10-20, 05:04 PM

Confession:
OK guys, this is me coming clean. I'm an honest person and this whole case and the money lost has been eating me up inside. I haven't been honest about multiple things so it's time to come clean. I don't agree with freerolling a winning account's last deposits, and as a human being I can justify so many things and rationalize so many things in my head. But I can't stay in a lie, I am a free spirited musician and enjoy just living a peaceful life. So I have to confess multiple things to you guys, and I wish I did this from the start- I was desperate to get my money back and didn't know if I could get it back any other way. Money doesn't come easy to me.

1. i have never been to Mexico in my life. I have been playing out of San Francisco area the whole time through VPN.
2. I'm a well-known poker player in the bitcoin community that goes by tennisCHAMP or tennis known as an all out degen. Used to be dice, but for the longest time it's been sports. I quit casino gambling a long time ago and I figured out how to pretty consistently win at tennis betting at the higher levels like ATP and WTA and Grand Slam. I've won SWC Poker BigBTC and streaming challenges for thousands in bitcoin , and I've been into bitcoin more than anything ever since I arrived there. I used to vlog a bit and I was driving full time Uber for years here in SF. $15,000 is a fortune to me and it scares me how much I was willing to lie about in order to get paid (even if I feel it's rightly mine, lying just isn't me and I couldn't really keep going with this without unravelling).

3. I had an account a couple years ago on Cloudbet and they banned me for being a USA IP with no money in the account one day they just said we don't accept you, so I started VPN'ing in after a couple years off the site. I had lost so many bitcoins it was unbelievable.

4. I sent in real documents from USA, thinking they'd just give me my money back and ban me from the site. That was not the case, so I started panicking and sent them in the fake note and stuff about Mexico. This really crossed my threshold for how far I was willing to go and I lost it after I sent in the utility bill with the changed address- I don't like dealing with fake documents and doing this stuff.

5. The reality is that as I mentioned, I have been a tennis teacher and an Uber driver and a starving musician for years. A year and a half ago my Nissan Leaf got hit and I got an insurance check for $8,000 which I ran up to $150,000 in bitcoin on Nitrogen Sports within a few days betting tennis. I bet like $5,000 on Fabio Fognini to beat Nadal in the semi's of Monte Carlo and he hit straight sets and moneyline and I won like $75,000.. Nitrogen Sports has since severely limited my 2001 account (one of the first to register to Nitrogen Sports through Bitcointalk). I won and lost all that money within only 3 days, never even really cashing out to USD and a week later that money would have been worth $450,000. I've not had a day go by where I don't think about the money I missed out on every hour, especially being so job skill-less and only really having played poker and bet sports as a means of possibly some day making good money (though I do make websites and am getting better at that). When I just ran up $1,300 into $40,000 in a week at Cloudbet, constantly withdrawing in order to secure all the funds and re-depositing, I thought I'd never look back again. I was doing quite well managing but when I had the $15,000 stolen from Cloudbet, I went on tilt and lost the remaining $15,000 and am now back to square one as always have been my entire 34 years of existence.

6. I am cloudbetscamsDOTCOM on bitcointalk and the person who put up cloudbetscams.com after being advised by people who dealt with the 330btc scam case from Cloudbet and other people in the poker community who said my only real recourse is to go out Cloudbet from all angles in order to hope to get their attention and get paid. The more shady stuff I uncovered, the more enraged I got and I really want people to know not to deposit to this site because of these things. I don't know what's going to happen with the site but I need to come completely clean.

Now:
Cloudbet, I will give you permission to post everything you want about me. I am well known as 'tennis' from SWC Poker and in the bitcoin community. Some people will recognize me if they are OG poker players. So I'm not really fearing anything. I feel awful about lying, not to you guys but to myself (and also to you guys). So I'm coming clean mostly because I live such a clean life free of doing bad stuff, I have so many interests and hobbies, degenerate sports betting is jsut one of them. Though I'm becoming massively sharp at betting tennis I will admit- every other sport I lose loads at. And I don't really even beat poker any more, though I do have an occasional God run on stream with people cheering me on at SWC poker.

Cloudbet: feel free to post the information you need to the public about my USA IP's, as I admit I have never even been to Mexico in my life. I was born in Brazil and it's always been a dream to get back there, but I haven't done much traveling except for jazz band tours and stuff all over Europe having played with BB King and stuff in Switzerland in a fluke but was so fun, I'm a professional saxophonist and beat maker.

You can post the transaction histories to clear that up, Idunno about posting my home IP but you can feel free to post the general locations all that to show that i was in the USA.

Beyond that, I still feel that I should be paid. I hope I am not upsetting people and I should have been forthright from the start. Money can truly bring out the worst in people, and it did in me. I wanted to say anything just to get paid because I thought I was justified. I felt like the angles and laws surrounding them preying on me for the TOS was not fair. Waiting for me to deposit a large sum, I was obviously trying to leave a dent in their book- so they played the we can actually legally steal this money back.

But this is about the confession and the go ahead to release all the information. Like I said, I used to vlog as 'tennis' in the bitcoin community documenting my uber driving and saxophone playing and music making. Only a few people saw those but in general i'm not scared of a little fame or notoriety. I still feel I'm owed the deposits on the account and I hope that the community will agree with me on that. It's not fair to freeroll USA players so in my mind I justified lying to everyone, even if not so well on purpose, about being in "mexico" and stuff.

I'm here to answer any questions all week now that I'm being honest. The monkey is off my back.

I apologize to everyone. To SBR, to Twoplustwo, to Bitcointalk. It was not right for me to say wahtever i needed to say in order to try and get the money back. I still feel that I should be owed every penny. It's not fair.

I'm here to answer any and all questions you have and giving Cloudbet the go ahead to release whatever they need to the public about why I shouldn't be due my deposits back. I still feel that I am owed them.

**RedApples** · 10-10-20, 05:50 PM

Takes balls to man up to all of that. Feel bad for you, and really wish you would've been transparent earlier. Who knows if it would've been easier to recover your money then. Hopefully now they will see your post and feel bad about your situation and grant your money back to you. Never know. Best of luck.

P.S. is that also your YouTube channel?

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-10-20, 06:05 PM

Hi red apples. I do apologize for fighting tooth and nail about the lying about the various inconsistencies and acting entitled about it all. Thank you for being respectful about that means a lot.

Nope. Not my YouTube channel, was flattered he took the case though lol.

I really want my deposits back. I couldn’t afford to have those taken as you can see and I really really really appreciate your sentiments. It would really make a huge difference in my life. I wish I handled my other winnings better but I didn’t.

Adding: I also wish I was honest from the start. I wasn’t strong enough and I hope this will be a learning lesson for me: be honest at all costs. With yourself and with others. I need to become stronger from this. I felt so small keeping up the lies. Nothing trumps integrity. Nothing.

**vanzack** · 10-10-20, 06:18 PM

This thread just reached epic status.

I always say that if they made a reality show of people who sports gamble it would be the biggest show on earth. No added drama needed, no scripts - just follow sports gamblers and shit happens. penetrate 90 day fiance - this is the real stuff.

GL Red Dragon. Quit gambling. You are young. It is never going to work for you. Conisder this a wake up call.

I wish you the best.

**littlekona** · 10-10-20, 06:34 PM

wow.. just Ban this clown show Mods....