Cloudbet confiscated $15,000 due to providing verification documents from USA citizen

**cashin81** · 10-21-20, 11:34 AM

Maybe ask a doctor or psychologist.

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-21-20, 11:38 AM

de-escalating

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-21-20, 11:40 AM

edit: de-escalating and awaiting word from cloudbet

**cashin81** · 10-21-20, 11:52 AM

You did a 180 in 2 mins....

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-21-20, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by cashin81

You did a 180 in 2 mins....

De-escalating until I get word from Cloudbet

**littlekona** · 10-21-20, 12:04 PM

just amazed that SBR doesnt change/update post title and BAN this SCAMMER. Not a fan of Cloudbet BUT man this OP is just in LA LA LAND probably the biggest liar and scammer in SBR history

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-21-20, 12:33 PM

EDIT: I am going to de-escalate and await word from Cloudbet.

**cashin81** · 10-21-20, 04:37 PM

This is amazing he edited all that shit out and now being patient again!

**themike78** · 10-21-20, 04:41 PM

This guy will continue for 10 more years trying to get his money. You scammed you got caught get over it. Take it as a lesson play by the rules next time. In my opinion you should be blacklisted from every offshore book there is.

**themike78** · 10-21-20, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by DoubleRedDragon

I am done trying to kiss ass for my deposits. They're getting blown the F up now.

Lol. Now this psycho is threatening violence.

**horja1** · 10-21-20, 04:45 PM

**lonnie55** · 10-21-20, 04:45 PM

SBR should consider closing the thread to protect OP from himself.

**cashin81** · 10-21-20, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by DoubleRedDragon

I am done trying to kiss ass for my deposits. They're getting blown the F up now.

Officer, this post right here

**DontTailMe** · 10-21-20, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by lonnie55

You're completely delusional. You admitted registering multiple accounts. This case is over.

Admitted to registering multiple accounts with the clear intention of bypassing the No-USA policy which he had already been warned about. I don't see how this is a solid case at all. Seems open and shut.

**Optional** · 10-21-20, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by DoubleRedDragon

I am done trying to kiss ass for my deposits. They're getting blown the F up now.

This is crazy talk and can only hurt you. And isn't allowed here as well.

You're obviously really rattled by this. Losing 15K would rattle me too. But try to walk away for a week or two now. Time and other distractions will help.

**ace7550** · 10-21-20, 05:41 PM

I do feel bad for this dude, kind of, but reading this thread makes me laugh

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-22-20, 09:24 AM

I just meant that I was tired of keeping my lips sealed about the case. I realize fighting is a battle I cannot win. I have to try and co-operate in whatever way possible, and if the case isn't ruled in my favor I will have to accept that and move on with my life.

I literally don't have much money left, I have to get a cashier job to try and pay bills. I'm going to try and give it a rest for a week or two and see what happens. I'm sorry to Cloudbet and the community for totally messing this up, and I hope we can come to a resolution. I take full blame for breaking ToS. I still think that the sudden shift in policy for awarding account balances of players playing from USA is so strange, and that's why I believe the case to at least return some of the money could be in my favor.

Yeah I meant that I wasn't going to keep quiet any longer but after writing that (i meant to remove it but now people have replied to it) about blowing them up, that was what is called a "figure of speech" for not staying silent and getting their attention about the case. Nothing to do with a threat.

I apologize if there was a mis-understanding there. It had nothing to do with a threat or violence, it was in regards to the previous two posts which I removed because I want to de-escalate and let them look at the facts laid out about the case and hope that I get the account balance (or at this point even a portion thereof).

Again no harm was intended and I do apologize for overreacting yesterday. This has rattled me to the core. I have $30 in the bank and need a job, but nobody is hiring... not a good situation. But I realize trying to battle Cloudbet and the community at this point is not what I intended for my life (what life?). So I will have to accept it and move on and not spend so much time trying to "blow them up" or battle online. Just to clear those things up.

And to clarify: in no way have I given up on the case. I believe precedent is in my favor. I realize these things take time to solve. I am de-escalating and not "blowing them up" any more, I'm going to let things unravel a bit and so they can look at the facts laid out.

**sal_sagev** · 10-22-20, 09:53 AM

Dragon you are hurting your own cause. If you had come right out and said it's not right that cloudbet took your money in the first place I think you would have more support. But you lied about everything from the beginning, the argument originally was that you were never playing in the US, did everything by the book, and that it was all a frame job so they could steal your money. Now you have come clean to playing from a banned country AND creating multiple accounts, but are now shifting the discussion to say "well even if I violated every rule they shouldn't have taken my money at all". You're not totally wrong in that but the lying that continued for days and days and saying anyone who disagreed must own cloudbet is really what turns anyone with a brain off from this case. You were circumventing the rules and got caught is what it comes down to.

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-22-20, 09:57 AM

I'm not experienced in fighting cases like this, I'm a losing desperate gambler trying to say anything to get my money back after breaking ToS ever so carelessly (absolutely no malicious intent. Cloudbet was simply my favorite place to wager for 4 years since I signed up originally and took a break from betting and came back after a couple years). That's why I feel people should have sympathy for this case. I apologize profusely for misconstruing facts. I came clean on my own accord because I don't intend to live my life in a dishonest way.

**vanzack** · 10-22-20, 11:09 AM

I think some self responsibility is in order here. You need to ask yourself why you would gamble with money that if you lost - you need to become desperate and do things like take a cashiers job.

You are blaming everyone but yourself, while making things more difficult for everyone else at the same time, and never realizing this is your own fault.

And you are one strange dude. Entertaining, but really weird.

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-22-20, 04:13 PM

I take full responsibility for breaking ToS. I just hope they see why the case should be in favor of awarding the deposits back to the player and the balance of the account.

I do take full responsibility and also for not being forthright. Let's wait to see what Cloudbet has to say regarding the new facts presented in the case.

**themike78** · 10-22-20, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by DoubleRedDragon

I take full responsibility for breaking ToS. I just hope they see why the case should be in favor of awarding the deposits back to the player and the balance of the account.

I do take full responsibility and also for not being forthright. Let's wait to see what Cloudbet has to say regarding the new facts presented in the case.

Are you fukin serious? You cheated and broke the rules intentionally. Guess what your money is gone. You are lucky they paid you anything. You really are a weird one.

**cashin81** · 10-22-20, 04:49 PM

Im still confused... He opened a multiple account, won money, but they they made him "whole" - so he didnt lose money but he wasnt paid the profit he won on second account?

But he wants the money from the multiple account that was in profit? He also bet in country he shouldnt have, but says everyone does and its generally okay.

Is that right?

**DontTailMe** · 10-22-20, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by DoubleRedDragon

I just meant that I was tired of keeping my lips sealed about the case.

I've been following this case from the beginning. And I can't say this has ever been a problem of yours.

**vanzack** · 10-22-20, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by cashin81

Im still confused... He opened a multiple account, won money, but they they made him "whole" - so he didnt lose money but he wasnt paid the profit he won on second account?

But he wants the money from the multiple account that was in profit? He also bet in country he shouldnt have, but says everyone does and its generally okay.

Is that right?

Oh boy. Here comes a rambling manifesto post with red arrows and circles that nobody will actually read. Get ready.

**cashin81** · 10-22-20, 05:31 PM

Ill be disappointed if theres not at least 4 red arrows.

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-22-20, 05:49 PM

I'm still supremely confident considering the new facts and the past precedent of previous cases the ruling will be in my favor should the facts be looked at once more. Steve's point of #4 that my total deposits were less than my withdrawals was blatantly false, as you guys are burying the important facts with your no-value rant posts about why players shouldn't be paid back the deposits they make into an account.

If cloudbet is willing to allow me to co-operate, I feel that there is no reason why they shouldn't rule in favor of returning my deposits back (of which I was not made whole in any sense of the word).

**jacksonstreet** · 10-22-20, 06:21 PM

All posts in this thread aside, Cloudbet is guilty of some shady operations --- at least as of 2 years ago when I played there. Specifically speaking of their live betting service. You'd hit submit on a bet, and the gear would turn for sometimes up to a minute while they determined whether or not they would accept your bet. Not sure if it's like that anymore, but it was rather frustrating to have a bet get rejected 1 minute after you pressed submit because something happened in the match in your favor --- of vice versa, having a bet accepted a minute after you press submit because something happened that benefitted Cloudbet.

**themike78** · 10-22-20, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by DoubleRedDragon

I'm still supremely confident considering the new facts and the past precedent of previous cases the ruling will be in my favor should the facts be looked at once more. Steve's point of #4 that my total deposits were less than my withdrawals was blatantly false, as you guys are burying the important facts with your no-value rant posts about why players shouldn't be paid back the deposits they make into an account.

If cloudbet is willing to allow me to co-operate, I feel that there is no reason why they shouldn't rule in favor of returning my deposits back (of which I was not made whole in any sense of the word).

You got paid more than what your deposits were so you did get your deposit money back. What the fuk is wrong with you?

**themike78** · 10-22-20, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by cashin81

Im still confused... He opened a multiple account, won money, but they they made him "whole" - so he didnt lose money but he wasnt paid the profit he won on second account?

But he wants the money from the multiple account that was in profit? He also bet in country he shouldnt have, but says everyone does and its generally okay.

Is that right?

Basically he broke the 2 most important rules of any sportsbook intentially. Even got paid out for winning before they caught him. Now he wants his deposits back as well. The guy is delusional. The book should make him pay back all the money he was ever paid becasuse he is an obvious cheat/scammer.

**DoubleRedDragon** · 10-22-20, 07:19 PM

connecting from the USA is not cheating nor is it scamming.

**Stumpage** · 10-22-20, 09:01 PM

"Getting a cashier job" is actually the most progressive thing that you've stated in this entire thread and your first real hope of escaping this nightmare...That's the beginning of your way out; Seriously...

**themike78** · 10-23-20, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by DoubleRedDragon

connecting from the USA is not cheating nor is it scamming.

Lol. Are you really that dumb? When a book specifically has in its rules no USA customers accepted it is. You broke the rules. That is the first rule you should look for before joining a book. But you knew they didn't accept USA so you used a VPN to cheat. How exactly didn't you cheat?

**Optional** · 10-23-20, 04:36 AM

Originally posted by DoubleRedDragon

connecting from the USA is not cheating nor is it scamming.

You're right.

This is not a big offense.

But if you are going to take a shot at getting around the rule at a book that makes it clear it does not just look the other way, you need to be able to say to yourself "shucks, I got caught this time". And move on.

Dumping 25k all at once into a book you are rule breaking at is just madness. Unless you really dont care about, or need, that money.

Cloudbet obviously don't think it is a major offense either, given their claim that anyone who gets caught will be made whole if the player does not waste their time and resources and is open about it once discovered.

But don't forget you made it into a big problem for them. You should be talking to them 'cap in hand', not demanding. You did this all wrong from day one and continue it till now.

It's hard to help someone who has worked so hard against themselves.

**DroopyDog** · 10-23-20, 08:57 AM

Listen to the above advice

Explain you didnt defraud them in any way, apologize for your extremely erratic behavior, hope for the best... to this point youve taken about the worst possible approach you could have taken