Had a teaser bet with Colorado St and Central Michigan at Youwager. Colorado St game was cancelled but my bet still shows as pending. Asked support what is happening and they told me that if the other leg wins the bet pushes and if the other leg loses, the bet loses. They said that’s their rule. How am I not being free rolled here? I can’t win, only push. But I can lose. If this is seriously there rule and it’s being correctly enforced, why would anyone tease with Covid?
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Haha you have to be kidding. Which book is this?Comment -
Good point about covid affects on this.
Been a couple of threads about this at other books too..Comment -
Few years ago at BOL I had a 3 team teaser 10 point
One game was canceled
They didn't cancel the teaser
The teaser couldn't win no matter what but if I didn't cover the two games that were not canceld I would lose the bet
A bet with 0 chance to win but you could still lose
After that I never deposited again
It is the rule
At least with some books
Maybe most
SBR should take a stand IMO
Just like with GTbets and the whole thing about only being able to wager a certain % BR on bets to get through rollover
It was technically a rule but when people got mad enough about it they let it slide
This is a bullshit rule and they should chnage it'But they won't if no one cares enough to say somethingLast edited by Shutup; 11-27-20, 10:14 AM.Comment -
Tried to explain before that the bet is made/taken in good faith at the right odds with that number of teams involved. And we don't get to just ignore the second leg and get our money back if another match voids.
Say you had taken this bet as a local bookie of someone? Would you be thinking it was right to give the bettor their money back if the other team they bet on lost?
This rule is fine by fair industry practice..Comment -
If you can't win money you can't lose money
That is fair
If 1st game is canceled before the start of other game the wager should be canceled
It is the only thing that makes senseComment -
Well, if it still does not make sense after I explained, not sure I can help much more.
But I understand your reaction. Have seen it before when this is discussed.
Seriously, it's not a free roll as both sides did have the chance to win or lose when the bet was struck. There is no hidden info or free roll going on. You just want to change your two team bet based on new info, that one of the teams will not be playing.
Try to imagine you are the bookie and I made a two leg teaser with you and one leg loses. What would I have to say to you to convince you that should be money back?
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Bro, it isn't a complete bet. You have no chance to winHow dumb can you be?
And it would be canceled because you have no chanced to win
Thus it isn't a loss on the other part of the teaser If one game has already started before the cancelation than sure you gotta win the bet has started
How about I win the first part of the teaser and the other game is canceled How is the bookie gonna explain I shouldn't win I demand a win ot add another 2nd half of the teaser
Holy shit it is a dumb rule
When you make a play they key is that you have a chance to win. If there is none due to no fault of your own........it is a no play
Whatever. Wbhy you would defend such nonsense I don't know
But everyone just beware of this because of so many cancelationsLast edited by Shutup; 11-27-20, 05:18 PM.Comment -
Exactly... When You Make The Play. That is the key. And neither side knew a game would be cancelled at that time, so there was a chance to win or lose.
I do get why it pisses people off. But it is the only correct way to handle it to ensure BOTH sides of the bet are treated fairly.
Yes. Good warning for people with covid cancels likely
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Are you serious? That's the ONLY way in your mind to fairly treat the cancellation of the first leg of a 2 team teaser? I can think of 2 better ways to resolve this. One is to let the player replace the remaining leg with another play. The other is to delete the wager altogether. A cancelled game is NOT the same thing as a tie--and shouldn't be treated as such. Your argument is that neither party knew there would be a covid cancellation so it's okay to put the Book in a no-lose situation with the player? How is it fair to give one party (Book) an unfair advantage over the other (Player) for an unforeseen or unfortunate event?Exactly... When You Make The Play. That is the key. And neither side knew a game would be cancelled at that time, so there was a chance to win or lose.
I do get why it pisses people off. But it is the only correct way to handle it to ensure BOTH sides of the bet are treated fairly.
Yes. Good warning for people with covid cancels likelyComment -
So the losing leg is only relevant if it happens first, but should be ignored if it happens 2nd
And you would be happy with the way this was graded as long as the 2nd game was cancelled some time after the first game had already lost?
Please think a little bit more about what you are saying before answering that bit.
Do you think you would feel this way if it was a 2 team parlay and not a teaser?
Or would you think the parlay is a loser if one leg cancelled and the other leg loses?
Would you be saying a "cancelled game should make the parlay be graded different to a tied game" in a parlay situation?
Just because the odds on a 1 leg teaser are money back only, does not change what is a fair way to grade it compared to a parlay.
I'm not just trying to be a dick or want to insist I am right no matter what. I know people hate this, but it truly is justifiable as the correct way to grade. Come up with a logical argument that produces a fair situation to both sides of the bet and I am happy to learn and change my mind. But this has been discussed a few times and nothing has been brought up so far..Comment -
So just to be clear:
1. First leg cancels and second leg loses. Bettor loses.
2. First leg cancels and second leg wins. Bettor pushes
3. First leg loses and second leg cancels. Bettor loses.
4. First leg wins and second leg cancels. Bettor pushes.
So if you bet a teaser and a game gets canceled you can only lose or push? Well, I won't be making any teaser bets during covid...
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I wish you would've thought before you answered. A parlay is a totally different animal. If one half of the parlay is a tie or cancel, the second half goes off as a straight bet. You win or lose on the bet alone, so it has no bearing on this discussion. If you don't understand this then there is no hope in explaining to you why a cancelled leg seriously screws the 2 team teaser bettor.So the losing leg is only relevant if it happens first, but should be ignored if it happens 2nd
And you would be happy with the way this was graded as long as the 2nd game was cancelled some time after the first game had already lost?
Please think a little bit more about what you are saying before answering that bit.
Do you think you would feel this way if it was a 2 team parlay and not a teaser?
Or would you think the parlay is a loser if one leg cancelled and the other leg loses?
Would you be saying a "cancelled game should make the parlay be graded different to a tied game" in a parlay situation?
Just because the odds on a 1 leg teaser are money back only, does not change what is a fair way to grade it compared to a parlay.
I'm not just trying to be a dick or want to insist I am right no matter what. I know people hate this, but it truly is justifiable as the correct way to grade. Come up with a logical argument that produces a fair situation to both sides of the bet and I am happy to learn and change my mind. But this has been discussed a few times and nothing has been brought up so far.Comment -
A teaser IS a type of parlay mate.
Anyway, sounds like you just want to ignore the leg you bet that lost becuase you want to, and don't want to know what I think, or what the books think, or why they grade this way, or what is fair to both sides of the bet. So I'm done.
But it is good this thread has reminded people to take care with cancels during covid..Comment -
Neither will I anymore. Got burned on this once and learned my lesson. Books are free rolling on covid cancellations and SBR is too dumb or unwilling to address this situation.So just to be clear:
1. First leg cancels and second leg loses. Bettor loses.
2. First leg cancels and second leg wins. Bettor pushes
3. First leg loses and second leg cancels. Bettor loses.
4. First leg wins and second leg cancels. Bettor pushes.
So if you bet a teaser and a game gets canceled you can only lose or push? Well, I won't be making any teaser bets during covid...Comment -
Duh, but a 2 team par is treated differently then a 2 team tease. A cancelled leg in a par reverts to a straight bet (which is fair), while a cancelled leg in a tease means that you are put in a no win situation. Parlays are not affected by covid cancellations but teasers are--do you really not get this?A teaser IS a type of parlay mate.
Anyway, sounds like you just want to ignore the leg you bet that lost becuase you want to, and don't want to know what I think, or what the books think, or why they grade this way, or what is fair to both sides of the bet. So I'm done.
But it is good this thread has reminded people to take care with cancels during covid.Comment -
Anyone have a book that does grade a Teaser with a Game Cancel plus a Losing Leg as a void bet?
This thread could bring them a bunch of business....Comment -
Awesome, Heritage will void a teaser with a losing leg and a cancel?
Any other books grade that way anyone?.Comment -
How about places like 5D and Betanysports that allow you to bet teasers where ties win. So if I make a 2 team ties win teaser there and the the 1st leg cancels, where do I stand if the 2nd leg wins. Do I get credited with a winning bet? Of course not because 5D and BAS will argue that a cancel is not the same as tie. Yet all these other Books (except Heritage as noted) want to treat a cancel as a tie to suit their own situation and put you in a no win situation.Comment -
I'm currently in a heated dispute with BetNow over the teaser below. Baltimore was cancelled Thursday, so they are saying the second leg has to win for me to break even else the bet loses. How the fukk is this not a free roll?
Confirmation: 53569859
Date Placed: 11/24/20 08:29:22
Header:
INTERNET: 2 Team 2T 6 Points Teaser(ties no action) risk 50.00 win 50.00
Bet Details:
- CANCELLED: Baltimore Ravens 125 Ravens +10½ (NFL) (6.0 pts)
- 254 Patriots +8½ (NFL) (6.0 pts)
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Ah, at least that explains your stubbornness about this.
I think what Heritage does is smart, as we see in every thread about this, people like you do not want to hear the logic or accept the rules they bet under and scream freeroll no matter what. I'd do what Heritage does as well, not worth the angst when it's obviously tough for bettors to understand.
But that does not mean all the other books are doing it unfairly. Or Betnow are wrong to expect you to abide by their rules..Comment -
It's about fairness not stubbornness. You should be able to replace a canceled (not tied) leg in a 2 team teaser and Books should accommodate this request. Obviously if the other leg already lost, what's the sense because the bet will lose anyway. Simply put, a bettor should not be put at a disadvantage because an event is postponed, and this is what many Books are doing right now. As far as their rules are concerned, I'm not sure cancellations are covered regarding teasers (ties are). Regardless, stating something in the rules doesn't make it right. Many books have a "rule" that they can confiscate your winnings if they suspect you are a pro player. Must be ok, because it's in their "rules" right? Bullshiit!
In my case, I'm left with a bet that can only lose or tie without any game action taking place. How is this acceptable to you? And again, how is this not a free roll?Comment -
It's incredibly how in basically every dispute situation like this, Optional sides against the player AND is wrong. You'd think he'd be biased in favor of the player. As ace already described, treating cancellations as a push is ABSOLUTELY a freeroll by the book if they treat push/win as no action and push/lose as loss, which is what most do. As HH points out, books state all sorts of BS in their rules and it's not binding. Industry practice and reputation costs are what keep them honest.
There are many solutions to this that are fair and can be implemented by any book, but that's not what they're doing.
A teaser can be thought of as parlaying alt lines on a game. Imagine if books just offered Packers -2. It would be priced at let's say -300. If you parlayed that with some other leg that got canceled, your Packers -2 would have action and you'd be paid out 1/3rd of your risk amount if it wins. In practice this would be difficult because i) books are too dumb to figure this out, ii) Packers -2 is not actually offered so we don't know if it would be -300, -250, or -350 which affects the payout. But the key thing to note is that the player can still end up winning despite the canceled game.
The other simple solution that books should implement is simply canceling ALL 2 team teasers with any canceled leg. This equally benefits people who have already lost a leg in a teaser as it hurts people who have already won a leg in a teaser. Once the bet is canceled, the bettor can re-make any teaser they want (along HH's suggestion). The only difference is old spreads would not be available anymore, but that could be a good or bad thing. I like HH's suggestion but books' software is generally too shit to accommodate this and the player would have to be notified to log in and adjust his teaser, etc. etc.
For HH's actual bet, I'd just cancel it entirely. At the moment, nothing is decided in his teaser. But if he had a loser from Thursday, I'd still cancel. If he had a winner from Thursday, I'd cancel again. You might be or unhappy about this but it's fair.
Treating canceled games as PUSHES is unfair because the existing rules on teasers asymmetrically hurt the player on pushes. While that's fine under normal circumstances because you know that's the rule going in, the bettor cannot reasonably be expected to know CANCELS would be pushes since CANCELS are always.... cancelled.
It's unbelievable how smug Optional is without understanding any of this.Comment -
Hey guys,
I am sorry you don't like the rule.
But just about every book who offers teasers grades them this way for the reason I have tried to explain for you.
All I have tried to do is help you understand why it's done as it is.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Just use the info to not get surprised by it in future..Comment -
Just do not bet teasers guys right now because of the cancellations
I bet 4 teams and more so it doesn’t affect me
Does anyone know the rules USA Sportsbooks same scenario?Comment -
Anybody that is supposed to be in the business cannot tell us that you have a bet that is made and you can ONLY LOSE or get your money back. Come on, we know they pay advertising money to the site, but there has to be a limit to the protection they get...............................Comment -
I don't think most books would think they are justified to grade them this way if it was as obviously incorrect as you think.
They do it because they think it is technically correct.
I can see arguments to grade the way Heritage does, but you should also try to understand the reasoning as to why that is not the industry standard instead of attacking me..Comment -
I don't play teasers but am shocked at what I am reading. Logical thinking would think that every book would grade ALL teasers with a leg that was canceled as a void/cancel. Parlays with a canceled leg would be graded as a win/loss based on the legs that were live.
This is common sense......isn't it??Comment
