BetRegal stole C$19520 from my balance

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  • kai_who
    SBR Rookie
    • 12-14-20
    • 5

    #1
    BetRegal stole C$19520 from my balance
    After a couple of lost deposits C$4500 from sportsbetting, I received a call to deposit more and receive a 50% bonus up to $1000. I deposit $2000 and have an account of $3000. I have a lucky few days and run this balance up to ~$19000 from sports betting. I then see that I have cleared none of the bonus requirements and that the bonus I was given was a "Casino bonus". I read the Terms and Conditions there and decide ok, I will play through that to satisfy the requirements. I play through $35,000 worth of slots on mostly $4 autorolls, get lucky again and end up with a balance of $22000 with wagering requirements played through.

    I then make a few smaller sports bets and attempt to withdraw. Upon their "review", my withdrawal is declined and I see that $6000 is deducted from my balance based on: "We reserve the right to deduct amounts from winnings should the player have placed one single bet of more than C$50 or 50% of the bonus amount before the wagering requirements have been met." Notwithstanding that these are obscene terms to begin with, I was actually never given a sports bonus but a casino bonus.

    The next day, I get another email along with a $13520 deduction that "We reserve the right to withhold any amount in excess of the player's original deposit from a player's withdrawal if the player placed bets equal to or greater than C$4 or C$0.50 per line or 15 percent of the bonus amount before the wagering requirements for that particular bonus have been met". This is also incorrect as their bonus policy states that
    "If the player placed single bets equal to or greater than €4 or €0,50 per line or 15 percent of the bonus amount before the wagering requirements for the bonus have been met, we reserve the right to withhold any amount in excess of the player’s original deposit from a player’s withdrawal." Again, an obscene term but also one that I followed and nowhere on the site does it show C$4 which is clearly and has always been less than €4 in the duration of my betting.

    Live Chat Support has been unresponsive, and state that C$ is the equivalent of €.

    So basically, after being given a vague bonus over phone (which turned out to be a Casino bonus) they used a condition in the Sports Bonus rules to take away my winnings. They then tried to use a condition in the Casino bonus rules to take away the rest of my winnings. It was never a sports bonus, and they are claiming that € is the equivalent to C$ in the casino bonus policy. Pretty awful experience for a sportsbook rated B+ on here.

    I've submitted a formal complaint to SBR and hope that I can be made whole through that channel but also that my story can get read and shared as an awful experience.





  • Optional
    Administrator
    • 06-10-10
    • 60637

    #2
    That is a lot of words to blame the book and SBR's rating for you choosing not to read the bonus terms before playing!



    Spells out exactly what BetRegal told you.

    And the UK Gambling Commission and Malta Gaming Authority approve of their terms.


    It's fine to not read and assume, but if we do that, we need to take responsibility for our own choice to do that if it does not work out as we assumed.
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    • kai_who
      SBR Rookie
      • 12-14-20
      • 5

      #3
      Hi Optional, thanks for the reply and taking time to read my lot of words!

      The sticking point here is that because I rolled C$4 while completing the Casino bonus they can take away my entire winnings from my deposit. I want to point out that I DID read the bonus terms and was careful to follow them. I've just taken a video where all I can see from the Bonus Policy is terms allowing for a max roll of €4. I deliberately rolled C$4 as it is under €4 to follow the terms appropriately.

      This is from both their main www.betregal.com website and after I log in from my location (Canada).

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      • Optional
        Administrator
        • 06-10-10
        • 60637

        #4
        Originally posted by kai_who
        Hi Optional, thanks for the reply and taking time to read my lot of words!

        The sticking point here is that because I rolled C$4 while completing the Casino bonus they can take away my entire winnings from my deposit. I want to point out that I DID read the bonus terms and was careful to follow them. I've just taken a video where all I can see from the Bonus Policy is terms allowing for a max roll of €4. I deliberately rolled C$4 as it is under €4 to follow the terms appropriately.

        This is from both their main www.betregal.com website and after I log in from my location (Canada).

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        Maybe I didn't understand you.

        Are you saying all your bets were $4 Canadian or less?

        But Betregal are claiming you bet higher than that?
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        • kai_who
          SBR Rookie
          • 12-14-20
          • 5

          #5
          I'm saying that I was given a Casino Bonus, and in the Casino, all my bets were $4 Canadian or less. I did bet higher than $4 Canadian in sports but that is irrelevant to the terms as both the terms and my bonus explicitly seperate Casino and Sports bonus terms.
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          • Optional
            Administrator
            • 06-10-10
            • 60637

            #6
            Originally posted by kai_who
            I'm saying that I was given a Casino Bonus, and in the Casino, all my bets were $4 Canadian or less. I did bet higher than $4 Canadian in sports but that is irrelevant to the terms as both the terms and my bonus explicitly seperate Casino and Sports bonus terms.
            Don't think that I do not agree that these terms suck. But there is no use SBR complaining to them if they are following them.


            Term 5 appears to cover the removal of sports betting winnings;





            I assume you queried them about the $4 casino max bets, saying you did not wager more than $4? What exactly did they say about that part?
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            • Optional
              Administrator
              • 06-10-10
              • 60637

              #7
              Is there any chance they are actually claiming you breached the casino bonus conditions as you used money won from sports to help achieve the rollover/balance?
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              • DontTailMe
                SBR MVP
                • 03-24-19
                • 2897

                #8
                No matter happens with SBR's ability/inability to dispute this, WOW, those are shady terms. And it essentially amounts to a free roll for the book because they aren't doing anything about players who overlook these rules but lose their balances. They only snap into effect if you've won.
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                • Optional
                  Administrator
                  • 06-10-10
                  • 60637

                  #9
                  Originally posted by DontTailMe
                  No matter happens with SBR's ability/inability to dispute this, WOW, those are shady terms. And it essentially amounts to a free roll for the book because they aren't doing anything about players who overlook these rules but lose their balances. They only snap into effect if you've won.
                  I think it's a bit of a gotcha too. But they hold UKGC and MGA licenses and defer to them when we have tried complaining about their bonuses being cancelled before. :\
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                  • kai_who
                    SBR Rookie
                    • 12-14-20
                    • 5

                    #10
                    Optional, I think you're right here and I have to just take the L here on my $19520 winnings. I missed that 5. clause you highlighted, nor was it referred to by them in their reasoning for deducting from my balance. If you've been part of the complaint process before on similar spots and it's gotten nowhere, no point wasting mine or SBR's energy fruitlessly.

                    In any case, I do feel like both having these terms AND enforcing them so heavy handedly doesn't warrant a B+ rating. Also it's a good notice on a public forum on this massive freeroll spot from what I consider a bad actor that shouldn't be worth anyone's future business.
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                    • vampire assassin
                      SBR Sharp
                      • 03-09-18
                      • 296

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Optional
                      I think it's a bit of a gotcha too. But they hold UKGC and MGA licenses and defer to them when we have tried complaining about their bonuses being cancelled before. :\
                      If a book uses Gotcha rules that people don't expect to see, and they have the ability to enforce the rule with their software but choose not to, it's unconscionable to enforce it by confiscation. Whether UKGC/MGA approve or not, they should be scorned, ridiculed, and have any SBR rating lowered to reflect the unconscionable behavior.
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                      • Optional
                        Administrator
                        • 06-10-10
                        • 60637

                        #12
                        Originally posted by kai_who
                        Optional, I think you're right here and I have to just take the L here on my $19520 winnings. I missed that 5. clause you highlighted, nor was it referred to by them in their reasoning for deducting from my balance. If you've been part of the complaint process before on similar spots and it's gotten nowhere, no point wasting mine or SBR's energy fruitlessly.

                        In any case, I do feel like both having these terms AND enforcing them so heavy handedly doesn't warrant a B+ rating. Also it's a good notice on a public forum on this massive freeroll spot from what I consider a bad actor that shouldn't be worth anyone's future business.
                        Originally posted by vampire assassin

                        If a book uses Gotcha rules that people don't expect to see, and they have the ability to enforce the rule with their software but choose not to, it's unconscionable to enforce it by confiscation. Whether UKGC/MGA approve or not, they should be scorned, ridiculed, and have any SBR rating lowered to reflect the unconscionable behavior.
                        I agree B+ seems a bit generous with these bonus terms too. I'll point out your feedback to the ratings manager.
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                        • Optional
                          Administrator
                          • 06-10-10
                          • 60637

                          #13
                          Under their MGA license Betregal have to offer a 3rd party ADR service who's decision they will abide by. It is https://thepogg.com/submit-complaint/

                          It's worth doing, Duncan over there is knowledgeable and helpful.
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