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[CryptoDgen]

Ok, fair - but if you want to bet, you can surely find a way unless you are based in HEAVILY restricted area and are susceptible for taxation. GL explaining to the tax office where the funds are from. If you have access to normal banking and/or BTC, it is far more convenient. For heavily regulated markets, sure thing.


You should educate yourself, it is possible to steal Crypto.


This is OK, maybe you should contact @RoyW about it, he surely would love it!



Best odds? They are several clicks below the ones I see on brokers I use.


Can get 100,000+ EUR on brokers, with 1 click. 300 EUR per click is laughable for serious bettors.

I think the biggest thing I can reiterate is that Wagerr is NOT the best option for everyone at this time, but it makes sense for many people. After I got cheated by World Sports Exchange, and saw what the government is capable of taking my money from Full Tilt I vowed never to bet/play poker until it was regulated/legal where I live. That was until I found Wagerr and finally felt safe enough to bet again. There are many like me out there where safety is key. I am willing to deal with a volatile currency knowing at the least my money is safe.

[bookie]

Welcome to the forum CryptoDgen.

[Alfie White]

It is not safe, that is an illusion.

[CryptoDgen]

@CryptoDgen, I did see your post before replying, and I did think it was exactly the way to go. But didn't want to seem argumentative right then ;-)

But as I am the bad guy already, let me play devils advocate a little bit on your points.

1) Take any country. I like that obviously. But will it draw unexpected legal issues for the team and node operators? You don't see many successful books open to anyone. If you grow large, I cannot see that being able to be continued.

2) I love this part. In terms of having my betting funds in my "account" only in my control. But am a little more sceptical about the grading and in particular how errors or disputes over betting rules would be resolved post payment.

3) Guaranteeing no KYC is like inviting people to do their best to exploit your book. Just about every decent size crypto book who started out talking no KYC has been forced to change to retaining the right to do KYC on players. And please do not try to tell me that you or your team cannot see any possible way to do that so it isn't possible. The minds behind Nitrogen, Cloudbet, Betcoin, and I think most other known names, started out thinking that they knew enough to beat sharp angle shooter minds too.

3a) Guaranteeing no KYC is also a honeypot for criminal funds to be played. Which has been a tempting way for a few crypto books to build up their volume. But I think many of those would also tell you this a double edged sword. Eventually you deal with the wrong criminal that some govt agency wants badly and you get caught in that legal crossfire.

4) Ok, sounds good. We ALL want best odds. If it is true it seems kind of strange that not one person has posted an example of these best odds over the last 7 pages. Seems like the obvious biggest draw for bettors! If attracting real bettors was ever the intention of this thread...

5) Unlimited re-pops is a nice draw for many bettors here. Especially if the odds will barely move as has been suggested a few times. Just hope the odds setting oracle really is smarter than sharp bettors in the long run. I'd put it to you that $40k/day volume means that you have no real sharp bettors as yet to test it against btw.



But more than all that, tell us bettors exactly the names of these exchanges where we can buy, how we fund them, how long that takes, how much we can expect to pay in fees to convert FIAT to WGR and WGR back to FIAT.

Say I want to bet US$10000 on Panthers -8 tonight, and I want to have my winnings back in cash to go to Vegas this weekend? Is that possible and what is the real cost?

And if there is any easy no-KYC option among those exchanges, or any other available method right now.

In regards to legal concerns, how can the government, or any entity, shutdown or stop 3,000 distributed Masternodes located all over the world that are all hosted through VPN? Its basically impossible, which is why the system and blockchain is so robust.

In regards to concern you have about sharps ruining the value of the network, I look at that "problem" differently. For this you do need to open your mind to a new way of thinking of a sustainable sportbook. For instance I truly believe that Wagerr can run at a small loss betting wise and still build or at least maintain its value. First, I do think that just as any sportsbook not only sharps will use it so will casuals, and I do think as it grows it will strike a balance between the two creating a system that burns coins and is deflationary. However, maybe your concerns are valid, maybe the sharps overrun the book and there is a small percentage of inflation in the coin. That however does not mean the coin will lose value. To the contrary, people seeing they can bet on a sportsbook that offers such great odds that it can be beaten will undoubtedly bring more users in. As long as user growth outpaces the small inflation of coins from betting the coin value will still rise. This is definitely a different way of thinking compared to the traditional way its been done, but it is possible. I think it its best to think of Wagerr as a betting ecosystem rather than it being bettor vs sportsbook.

In regards to best odds, not all odds are THE best but when they aren't they are very close to being. Every day you can find examples where they are the best though. For example Houston Texans are +346 for tonight's game on Wagerr, doing a quick review on Vegas Insider odds comparison Wagerr would have the best odds on the Texans for tonight's game.

You can buy/sell Wagerr on Uniswap, Pancake Swap, Beaxy, Ionomy and more. I prefer Ionomy as there is no KYC and easy to use. You can exchange WGR for BTC with little to no slippage if you are willing to wait 1-3 days for your order to fill for larger amounts.

If I missed anything, or can provide further explanation let me know.

[raiders72001]

There's a token, on it's own chain, that mostly trades in an unregulated exchange in a country that no one ever heard of and we don't know how many coins are owned by the team. That's why security is an issue.

[CryptoDgen]

It is not safe, that is an illusion.

Please back this up with actual points so I can clear up where your confusion is.

[raiders72001]

You can buy/sell Wagerr on Uniswap, Pancake Swap, Beaxy, Ionomy and more. I prefer Ionomy as there is no KYC and easy to use. You can exchange WGR for BTC with little to no slippage if you are willing to wait 1-3 days for your order to fill for larger amounts.

If I missed anything, or can provide further explanation let me know.

If the price decreases the order will never be matched.

[Alfie White]

Please back this up with actual points so I can clear up where your confusion is.

I did, multiple times. Instead of repeating yourself like a broken record, you can actually read up a bit and understand my (and several others') standpoint.

[CryptoDgen]

There's a token, on it's own chain, that mostly trades in an unregulated exchange in a country that no one ever heard of and we don't know how many coins are owned by the team. That's why security is an issue.

Beaxy is a regulated exchange where you can buy WGR with a credit card, so you're wrong. We have shown you screenshots of all the wallets, they are transparent, there is no one wallet that holds an overwhelming amount of WGR. How is an offshore book that holds 100% of funds more safe than the WGR team holding a small percentage of WGR coins for themselves?

I feel like you are representing yourself to be open to Wagerr, buy your false posts are showing something different. Are you truly interested in learning about Wagerr or solely interested in finding something to bring it down?

[raiders72001]

Beaxy is a regulated exchange where you can buy WGR with a credit card, so you're wrong. We have shown you screenshots of all the wallets, they are transparent, there is no one wallet that holds an overwhelming amount of WGR. How is an offshore book that holds 100% of funds more safe than the WGR team holding a small percentage of WGR coins for themselves?

I feel like you are representing yourself to be open to Wagerr, buy your false posts are showing something different. Are you truly interested in learning about Wagerr or solely interested in finding something to bring it down?

Show me one false statement that I made that I didn't correct. I did misstate a couple of things but then corrected it. I thought you built on ETH and were an ERC20. Later I found out you had your own chain and wrapped ETH on Uniswap. I thought you just ran money through Iomony and then later apologized saying I was wrong.

We know how Wagerr works. I praised it many times but you continue to falsely portray it. You now mention Beaxy and $42 traded on Beaxy today.

[Optional]

In regards to legal concerns, how can the government, or any entity, shutdown or stop 3,000 distributed Masternodes located all over the world that are all hosted through VPN? Its basically impossible, which is why the system and blockchain is so robust.

In regards to concern you have about sharps ruining the value of the network, I look at that "problem" differently. For this you do need to open your mind to a new way of thinking of a sustainable sportbook. For instance I truly believe that Wagerr can run at a small loss betting wise and still build or at least maintain its value. First, I do think that just as any sportsbook not only sharps will use it so will casuals, and I do think as it grows it will strike a balance between the two creating a system that burns coins and is deflationary. However, maybe your concerns are valid, maybe the sharps overrun the book and there is a small percentage of inflation in the coin. That however does not mean the coin will lose value. To the contrary, people seeing they can bet on a sportsbook that offers such great odds that it can be beaten will undoubtedly bring more users in. As long as user growth outpaces the small inflation of coins from betting the coin value will still rise. This is definitely a different way of thinking compared to the traditional way its been done, but it is possible. I think it its best to think of Wagerr as a betting ecosystem rather than it being bettor vs sportsbook.

In regards to best odds, not all odds are THE best but when they aren't they are very close to being. Every day you can find examples where they are the best though. For example Houston Texans are +346 for tonight's game on Wagerr, doing a quick review on Vegas Insider odds comparison Wagerr would have the best odds on the Texans for tonight's game.

You can buy/sell Wagerr on Uniswap, Pancake Swap, Beaxy, Ionomy and more. I prefer Ionomy as there is no KYC and easy to use. You can exchange WGR for BTC with little to no slippage if you are willing to wait 1-3 days for your order to fill for larger amounts.

If I missed anything, or can provide further explanation let me know.

Thanks.



A dog moneyline isn't going to attract many bettors.

How do you look versus these lines on tonight's game right now?



-8 -105
+8 -102

-7.5 -110
+7.5 +103

Is Wagerr better odds on any of those?

[raiders72001]

I thought Wagerr held 70% of the coins since Chainz didn't parse the data right. Now the top 10 wallets hold 24% of the coins. We don't know how many coins Wagerr holds. It could be a lot higher than 24%.

[CryptoDgen]

Thanks.


A dog moneyline isn't going to attract many bettors.

How do you look versus these lines on tonight's game right now?



-8 -105
+8 -102

-7.5 -110
+7.5 +103

Is Wagerr better odds on any of those?

On Wagerr line is currently:

-8 -107
+8 -103

So not the best in that particular market but still very good. But I did give you an example 😁

Please go to https://wagerr.com/sportsbook and check the lines for yourself. I think you will be impressed with what you find

[CryptoDgen]

I thought Wagerr held 70% of the coins since Chainz didn't parse the data right. Now the top 10 wallets hold 24% of the coins. We don't know how many coins Wagerr holds. It could be a lot higher than 24%.

We do know that offshore books hold 100% of funds though right? So Wagerr is much less, correct?

[Alfie White]

3. No KYC- I don't know about you but I'd like as few people to have access to my personal info as possible. You don't have to give Wagerr your name, let alone your Social Security Number, to bet there

Beaxy is a regulated exchange where you can buy WGR with a credit card, so you're wrong.

Beaxy is regulated by the US, so gl "not giving your SSN".

4. Best Odds

So not the best in that particular market but still very good.

Changing narratives left and right. Keep going, we will keep de-bunking your lies.

[raiders72001]

We do know that offshore books hold 100% of funds though right? So Wagerr is much less, correct?

They hold BTC and other major coins. WGR could be worthless in your own wallet. You are forcing me to criticize Wagerr. If I wasn't so interested in a DeFi sportsbook it would have been an easy pass on Wagerr. Very little markets, no live betting, small betting limit, high fees and unsafe. How can anyone recommend that.

[CryptoDgen]

Beaxy is regulated by the US, so gl "not giving your SSN".








Changing narratives left and right. Keep going, we will keep de-bunking your lies.

Bro you cutting out small snippets of what I said, you're worse than Fox News or MSNBC. I clearly stated in my original post that they don't always have the best odds, but many times they do or very close to it. I also gave multiple exchanges that don't require KYC (they have regulated and unregulated exchange options). Why are you hell bent on making Wagerr look bad to the point that you distort what I write and overlook facts?

[Alfie White]

I am not distorting anything, all those are your words and you keep contradicting yourself. My knowledge is limited in more than 1 area, but when it comes to gambling and crypto, I know a thing or two and you guys (wagerr shills) keep ignoring the facts and change the narrative disguising it as "polite conversation".

YOU are the one overlooking facts. YOU are the one who is BENT to make wagerr look like the BEST PLACE IN THE WORLD. YOU are that person, not me.

[raiders72001]

Sportsbooks want whales losing big money. The value of WGR increases with whales. $350 max bet isn't going to draw a whale.

Grinders are the only ones that are going to take the time to keep popping. It's not clientele that you want.

[CryptoDgen]

They hold BTC and other major coins. WGR could be worthless in your own wallet. You are forcing me to criticize Wagerr. If I wasn't so interested in a DeFi sportsbook it would have been an easy pass on Wagerr. Very little markets, no live betting, small betting limit, high fees and unsafe. How can anyone recommend that.

Yeah, it's like I said Wagerr is in it's infancy. I think everyone was super upfront about that and it's limited betting markets, but this has grown and will continue to do so over time. Wagerr has currency risk, I agree, but so does any currency. I know for many they are uncomfortable with currency risk for crypto, nothing I can say to that, it's understandable. Just like in betting everyone has their own risk tolerance. I would rather have the risk put into a currency I think is the future of betting than my risk put into an offshore book.

[raiders72001]

The model isn't going to work as is and you've been at it a long time. You guys have great programming skills but have gone about it the wrong way to make money or increase the coin value. Throw out all the tech stuff. VeVe couldn't sell to anyone until they stopped mentioning bitcoin and blockchain. YouTube Ecomi licensing and Alfred Kahn. They stopped talking blockchain and pushed the product.

[raiders72001]

VeVe collectibles

Transactions within the VeVe digital collectibles platform are underpinned by the OMI token, which is complemented by an innovative burn and buy-back system based on the sale of NFTs. With future staking opportunities and a range of additional incentives designed to maximise both the utility and scarcity of the token, the OMI token offers a range of utilities within the ecosystem that will continue to be integral to the app's operation, whilst maximising value for token holders.

They were only able to get licensing after stopping all the tech talk and talking about the product. Today all the collectibles sold out in seconds. I can get one in about 1 of 3 drops. They haven't even started marketing yet.

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On Wagerr line is currently:

-8 -107
+8 -103

So not the best in that particular market but still very good. But I did give you an example 

Please go to https://wagerr.com/sportsbook and check the lines for yourself. I think you will be impressed with what you find

Honestly, I think those are the sort of bets you have to have best odds on, at least sometimes, to be trumpeting best odds in the world rhetoric.

Shading odds to the dog side on MLs could be another hook for bettors, if that is what is happening and where the best odds thinking is coming from. But I'd be calling it that so people don't take one look, see whatever odds they know are not best and walk away not believing what was said.

[raiders72001]

OMI 129x in the last year.

[CryptoDgen]

Honestly, I think those are the sort of bets you have to have best odds on, at least sometimes, to be trumpeting best odds in the world rhetoric.

Shading odds to the dog side on MLs could be another hook for bettors, if that is what is happening and where the best odds thinking is coming from. But I'd be calling it that so people don't take one look, see whatever odds they know are not best and walk away not believing what was said.

No one is saying it as a guarantee. People are saying it in the way people say Pinnacle or 5dimes have the best odds. Like many times they literally have the best odds but when they don't they are still right there. Same can be said about Wagerr. Did you check out the Sportsbook and the lines for everything offered? If you saw these odds and didn't know they were on Wagerr what would your thoughts be of the odds offered and would you think it would be worth having money on that book? Strictly speaking odds only here.

[Optional]

No one is saying it as a guarantee. People are saying it in the way people say Pinnacle or 5dimes have the best odds. Like many times they literally have the best odds but when they don't they are still right there. Same can be said about Wagerr. Did you check out the Sportsbook and the lines for everything offered? If you saw these odds and didn't know they were on Wagerr what would your thoughts be of the odds offered and would you think it would be worth having money on that book? Strictly speaking odds only here.

-8 -107 / +8 -103 definitely very good.

[Alfie White]

Bro you cutting out small snippets of what I said, you're worse than Fox News or MSNBC. I clearly stated in my original post that they don't always have the best odds, but many times they do or very close to it. I also gave multiple exchanges that don't require KYC (they have regulated and unregulated exchange options). Why are you hell bent on making Wagerr look bad to the point that you distort what I write and overlook facts?

smh Opti, smh

[CryptoDgen]

The model isn't going to work as is and you've been at it a long time. You guys have great programming skills but have gone about it the wrong way to make money or increase the coin value. Throw out all the tech stuff. VeVe couldn't sell to anyone until they stopped mentioning bitcoin and blockchain. YouTube Ecomi licensing and Alfred Kahn. They stopped talking blockchain and pushed the product.

You are right, Wagerr is not ready to compete against the big boys yet and won't be able to until it is much more seemless. You have to discuss blockchain now when describing it, otherwise it makes zero sense. They understand this and development is working to make it so seemless blockchain won't have to be the leading conversation, but of course this will take time.

I feel a lot of this discussion is like what Elon Musk must have felt with Tesla. People telling him, you have limited options, no gas, no way to drive long distances, on and on. Meanwhile Elon looks crazy saying my electric car will be faster than almost all gas powered cars, there will be a network of charging stations, the cars will have the ability to drive themselves, and Tesla will be the most valuable car manufacturer in the world. Most people didn't buy that first model and that is okay, the first model wasn't made for prime time, but it didn't mean that the promise wasn't there. I see Wagerr in the same light. It makes zero sense sportsbooks get to make billions in profits off of us when they aren't needed and can be replaced by technology... just a matter of time

[CryptoDgen]

-8 -107 / +8 -103 definitely very good.

Please check out the website, look at the odds on all offerings, I think you will be pleasantly surprised

[Alfie White]

I feel a lot of this discussion is like what Elon Musk must have felt with Tesla.

bahahahhahaahah, did you REALLY compare yourself to Elon Musk and Wagerr to Tesla!?
Such bold character hahahahahah, this is more than amazing really ))

You are either a troll, shill or delusional, stupid and ignorant. Your pick.

[Go_Rilla]

Sportsbooks want whales losing big money. The value of WGR increases with whales. $350 max bet isn't going to draw a whale.

Grinders are the only ones that are going to take the time to keep popping. It's not clientele that you want.

This is not a case of you have to wait between repops, you literally repop as fast as you can click the mouse button.

[CryptoDgen]

bahahahhahaahah, did you REALLY compare yourself to Elon Musk and Wagerr to Tesla!?
Such bold character hahahahahah, this is more than amazing really ))

You are either a troll, shill or delusional, stupid and ignorant. Your pick.

Call me what you want, but with blockchain technology if you think people are going to keep paying trusted 3rd parties billions for doing something that can be automated you are going to be on the wrong side of history. Maybe Wagerr won't be the ones that bring this to life, but they are in the lead at the moment, and by far, at least in the sportsbook space (there are many other industries where trusted 3rd parties will meet the same fate).

[DontTailMe]

This is not a case of you have to wait between repops, you literally repop as fast as you can click the mouse button.

It's the same way elsewhere.

[DontTailMe]

ELON MUSK and TESLA.

This Wagerr marketing team has officially jumped the shark.

[DontTailMe]

I can't wait for the next WGR investor to enter the chat room and tell us why the previous one got it all wrong.