3 bookies all with L.C.S as a provider stole my winnings. First betnflix stole my winnings and later 21.red and betsamigo. I am from the Netherlands and since national gambling law I can access very few bookies. About 10 bookies have licence and about 1 percent without does act like they have a licence. LCS limited bookies advertise here at onlinecasinospelen.com in Dutch. The one that first stole my money betnflix said I did break term 8. It states max bet is same amount as deposit needed to receive max bonus. For example if you deposit 100 euro with a 100 percent deposit bonus max bet is 100 euro. But this was a 50 percent deposit bonus with max bonus of 100 euro so 200 euro needed to receive 100 bonus. I did not bet over 200. If I could bet max 100 euro then the rule is that max bet is same as bonus size. But term states deposit needed to receive max bonus. Which differs depending on 50 or 100 percent. They only give example of 100 percent bonus. It is a trap but if you dont fall in this trap they automatically say you do too. Initially they did t say which term I did break they just all the terms and did say they take my money minus deposit. Betsamigo a month later I did play a 100 percent deposit bonus of 100 euro and max bet same as bonus size( very common bonus term). I did win all 10 of my 100 euro bonus bets. I cant remember this happening ever. When I did cash out they asked for more and more documents and other bookies did too. And over and over again placing your withdrawal back in your account and finally if you dont lose your money and withdrawal again they took my money too ( 1300+ euro). They sended my just all the terms just like betnflix and show bonus abuse terms. So when you are very lucky and win all your bets with following all the terms , max bet, minimum odds, and win all your bets they take your money. Last one of three bookies that stole my money was 21.red. It was a 100 percent bonus of 200 euro. Max bet of 200. At a time I had only 16 euro left in account but made a lot of wins after that and did end with 900 euro+. They took my winnings the same way again. After this I went to Madre which is an ADR. I told i did not break term 8 of betnflix and thought next 2 bookies did not say what I did wrong they just sended my all the terms. After this madre sended me message that LCS limited that 2 weeks to respond and then they will take a decision. Also they said they dont investigate the facts just they look if procedures is followed. This sounded very strange to me. Beginning of this month they sided with LCS limited. They now accused me of arbitrage bets and betting total balance. I did bet total balance with 21.red. but it is not relevant as it was less then max bet. I had just 16 euro left at a time. Also part of accusations/ lies are not even in their own bonus abuse terms. Madre did not let me respond just accusing me of relevant or even irrelevant lies is enough for them to side with them as they not investigate the facts. After this happened i mailed to betnflix that I would start a small court claim. Within a few days all 3 bookies have blocked my acces to sportbetting part of my account with all my bets. They want to obstruct justice now and hide evidence that they all 3 just stole my money. Because I was scared they would delete my account I left my deposit in my account which they gave back after taking my winnings. But now they did this. I have picture that I won 10 bets betsamigo in a row.( I lost one bets after bonus already completed. I do sportbetting with joy for 7 years. This 3 LCS limited bookies have stolen more from me then all others have in 7 years together. I only appeal decision when I know 100 percent that I am cheated. Some things are gray area but then I just let go. I once won 17 times 50 euro with Utrecht win on Ajax. Average bookie odds was 13. I thought giving me 17 times 50 or when you think odds to high 13 times 50 but I just got 50. This happens sometimes. But what happened with LCS limited breached all limits. I also took my fun betting because I think maybe they can just steal without consequence.
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I would recommend breaking that up a bit so people are more likely to read it.Comment -
It all started with betnflix in december, the other two were in January. They said I did breach this term:
8. The maximum bet amount a player can place when having an Active Sports Bonus is equal to the deposit amount. Should a player deposit more than the required amount to trigger the maximum bonus, the maximum bet amount a player can place equals the amount that triggers the maximum bonus. For example, for a Sports Bonus of 100% up to €100, if the player: a)
deposit is €50, the maximum bet amount is also €50, and b) deposits €150, the maximum bet amount is €100
I did play a 50 percent deposit bonus with max bonus of 100. Which is different then examples above with 100 percent deposit bonus. 200 euro was needed to receive 100 euro and I did deposit that. I did bet 200 euro and less. I did read this term before playing and believe it or not I thought would they understand the implications of the term when it is not like the example 100 percent deposit bonus but 50 percent with 200 needed for 100 euro bonus. Most people are around 100 IQ and I understand it can be confusing for themselves but this implies good faith This rule seems like a trap and when not given an example of 50 percent bonus up to 100 euro which needs 200 euro I could not know they can not extrapolate the principle 'required amount to trigger the maximum bonus' to this 50 percent bonus. If I could bet only 100 still when 200 deposit is needed then the rule is just like most bookies who have a max bet size same as bonus size and not the bonus rule they have.Last edited by Flower88; 02-20-24, 07:47 PM.Comment -
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Yes, I wanted to say too much. I just wrote a shorter part about just Betnflix and not all 3.Comment -
That term appears quite clear and unambiguous.
Not sure if I missed anything in all that text but it sounds like MADRE was correct to rule the book acted correctly according to their terms.
What you did here is called invoking legal remedy and how they responded is a risk people take on when making threats to sue a company.
Once you say you are taking legal action, in Westminster based legal systems, the company then has the legal right to lock you out, give you no more info, even not give you the stuff they were legally required to provide prior to you invoking legal remedy.
They legally can lock your account, hide all your data from you, answer no more questions or communicate in any way.
You can only communicate with their legal representative from that point on.
Unfortunately, this is a policy quite a few bookmakers jump to use against you if threatened legally..Comment -
I do think it is shonky to have a max bet limit that is not software controlled and then confiscate winnings later using the term by the way. And would be frustrated too.
But they know what they are doing and it really does sound like they are legally in the right :\.Comment -
I asked family members and all the intelligent ones did agree with me ( fathers side of family) mother side( mostly around 100 IQ) mixed or most tought i did breach term. I understand it is tricky because they only give example of 100 percent deposit bonus. If you agree with them then you say the bonus term is the same as a max bet is same as bonus size. Which can be stated short and simple but they do not. Also if you agree you disqualify the quote 'deposit required to trigger max bonus'. You get this or you do not.
Madre does not look at the facts but procedure. They said themselves. There only function is being an authority( lager % of humanity follows authoritys automatically has been shown in experiments) and they judge blindly. There can not be found 1 case in which they side with the player on the internet. Other Adr( alternative dispute resolution) like the cogg there can be found such cases.Last edited by Flower88; 02-20-24, 08:28 PM.Comment -
It's not how I feel about it. I think it sucks that they would not work with you if you just made a genuine mistake. Obviously they could choose to recalculate your bet based on max value if it is just one or two and did not make a material difference to your overall balance and betting pattern.
But I have helped people in resolving problems like this with bookmakers for about 10 years now and do have plenty of experience with books who have terms like this one. And honestly, your interpretation of the wording is too much of a stretch to mount a serious argument with.
If a small claim does not cost much to lodge there, you can do that without a lawyer yourself quite likely. And at least put your argument to a court who will definitely be more law intelligent than me. I'd bet you dollars to donuts it won't be worth the time or frustration though..Comment -
They have been fined last year( 2 million) L.C.S. limited and L.C.S limited bookies advertise here but do not have a licence in the Netherlands. Before 2021 I could bet almost everywhere but now only with a licence and 1 percent that do not have it act like they do and still let you play or even advertise on same site with dutch licenced ones and in dutch language at onlinecasinospelen.com. And I found out they are above average shady not only this way but also with paying out. The ethical bookies without required license in the Netherlands don't avertise at onlinecasinospelen.com in Dutch and you can not sign up.Last edited by Flower88; 02-20-24, 08:45 PM.Comment -
We disagree partly but thanks for feeling with me( if that is correct english). I did read I just pay if I win in the small court claim. I can not choose the intelligence of a judge haha but I have good hope
BTW, The other 2 bookies did not specify what I did wrong other then sending me all bonus abuse terms and saying they take my winnings. Betnflix did send that too plus the mentioned general/basic bonus term. I think it is a tactic that allows for max flexibility. I can not proof it but betnflix probably contacted the other 2 bookies because know I have lost more winnings then I have in 7 years before combined. I wast just very lucky with my plays with the other 2 bookies. I won all my 10 100 euro bonus bets with betamigo ( 1400 + euro balance) en 21.red my account went down to 16 euro at 1 point but went to 1062 euro at the end.Last edited by Flower88; 02-20-24, 09:09 PM.Comment -
Maybe it is better to not include all 3 bookies from L.C.S limited in the same claim.Last edited by Flower88; 02-20-24, 09:15 PM.Comment -
So:
1 - You got a 50% bonus up to €100. (In this case, the amount that triggers the maximum bonus is €200)
2 - You deposited €200, so your max bet is €200.
If you placed wagers of €200 or less you are right about your claims.Comment -
How much money did they steal? In 2021 I bought a Gun now I have 4 look to the parade thread on how I would react to this situation.Comment -
In december with betnflix balance was 1407.92 and took 1207.92 and did 200 back in account.
In januari balance with 21.red 1062 and took 962 from me. Betsamigo balance was 1449 and did take 1349 away. With the amigos from betsamigo I won all my 10 bets of 100 euro ( cant remember it happened before) and they rewarded it with taking my money. Now that did happens I enjoy betting less and do it less and feel less safe placing bets. In 7 years before I very rarely had issues and now 3 from all the same provider in a month time.
962+1349+1207.92 is 3519.92. There are based on Malta. For this money you can make nice holidays. This feels worse then just losing this amount.Comment -
A week ago I did send my claim to small court, no reaction Yet. I plan on updating you.Comment -
Update. Because I tought they would close my accounts if I did withdraw the deposit( to remove evidence) they did put back in my account( they are smart enough to not also steal your deposit) i did not withdraw it. About 2 weeks ago I tought I did not use betnlfix for about half a year. I know a lot of bookies do remove balance when not used for about half a year. I did click withdraw in betnflix. About 1 hour later I did cancel my withdrawal. You can do that for a long time because they want you to lose your money and not withdraw. But next day I did read in email that they would send money to my bank account. When I did try to log in I did see I could not. I did ask if they did did close my account and they did not answer. When I did email that I did recieve my money in bank account and asked if they closed my account( and I did write in a friendly manner to recieve answer) they answerd that they did. Like I predicted they did close account after withdrawal but I did not predict they would even pay out after canceling pay out. And they did pay out quick and quickly closed my account. Weeks before I did film that they already closed sport section of my account with my bets when I did log in. L.C.S. limited bookies . They send you all the abuse terms without being specific + betnflix term so that when you go to MADRE( alternative dispute resolution) it is difficult to defend yourself and then they make lies and then you can't respond anymore. Madre said themselves they dont investigate the facts but procedure but after cliams from L.C.S. limited they side with them. To me looking at procedure would be judging if sending all the 12 bonus abuse terms to player is justified and not every booking saying what you did wrong specifically.
When you then say you go to small court because of their lies they delete sportbetting section of your account. And when you withdraw or even when canceling pay out they pay out deposit and cancel your account.
Very few people go to a judge and if a judge would accept that they can just send all the terms and then they can make up lies and then you cant respond anymore and then they delete evidence if you go from MADRE to a small court claim , you can not win. I could not send video evidence. The small court is still going. I made a long story but maybe should just have said because it is difficult for a judge( with probably no sport bet experience) if it is acceptable to delete evidence, have not licence in my country and send all terms to you .Sending all the terms takes 1 minute and defending against all takes all the time in the world. When they think you did break a rule or they think they can make you think they did they send you the specific term along with all the terms( betnlfix) and when not they send just all the terms.Comment -
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Dear David
We would like to inform you that your withdrawal has been cancelled by the payments department and the amount of 1,207.92€ has been removed from your balance due to the breach of the following Terms & Conditions:
11.1. The following practices in relation to the Services:
a) abuse of bonuses or other promotions (as defined in paragraph 11.4)
b) using unfair external factors or influences (commonly known as cheating)
c) taking unfair advantage (as defined in paragraph 11.4);
d) opening any Duplicate Accounts; and/or
e) undertaking fraudulent practice or criminal activity (as defined in paragraph 11.4), constitute "Prohibited Practices" and are not permitted. We will take all reasonable steps to prevent and detect such practices and to identify the relevant players concerned if they do occur.
11.2. You agree that you shall not participate in or be connected with any form of Prohibited Practice in connection with your access to or use of the Services.
11.3. If:
a) We have reasonable grounds to believe that you have participated in or have been connected with any form of Prohibited Practice (and the basis of our belief shall include the use by us of any fraud, cheating and collusion detection practices which are used in the gambling and gaming industry at the relevant time); or
b) You have placed bets and/or played online games with any other online provider of gambling services and are suspected (as a result of such play) of any Prohibited Practice or otherwise improper activity; or
c) We become aware that you have "charged back" or denied any of the purchases or deposits that you made to your account; or
d) You become bankrupt or suffer analogous proceedings anywhere in the world, then, (including in connection with any suspension and/or termination of your account) we shall have the right, in respect of your account to withhold the whole or part of the balance and/or recover from the account the amount of any deposits, pay-outs, bonuses or winnings which have been affected by or are in any way attributable to any of the event(s) outlined in this paragraph.
11.4. For the purposes of this paragraph 11:
a) A "fraudulent practice" means any fraudulent activity engaged in by you or by any person acting on your behalf or in collusion with you, and shall include, without limitation:
fraudulent charge-backs and rake-back activity;
the use by you or any other person who was participating in the same game as you at any time, of a stolen, cloned or otherwise unauthorized credit or debit card, as a source of funds;
the collusion by you with others in order to gain an unfair advantage (including through bonus schemes or similar incentives offered by us);
any attempt to register false or misleading account information;
any actual or attempted act by you which is reasonably deemed by us to be illegal in any applicable jurisdiction, made in bad faith, or intended to defraud us and/or circumvent any contractual or legal restrictions, regardless of whether such act or attempted act actually causes us any damage or harm;
b) An "unfair advantage" shall include, without limitation:
the exploitation of a fault, loophole or error in our or any third party's software used by you in connection with the Services (including in respect of any game);
the use of automated players ('bots'), or other 3rd party software or analysis systems; or
the exploitation by you, of an 'Error' as defined in paragraph 18, in any case either to your advantage and/or to the disadvantage of us or other.
c) A "Bonus Abuse" shall include:
Making a deposit to receive a bonus without any activity of the deposited funds
Cashing out for the purpose of re-depositing
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Betting both sides of a single event for the purpose of falsely achieving bonus wagering requirements
Referring new accounts for your own use
All Bonuses are subject to bonus use limitation based on the bonus engine, and, unless stated otherwise, they shouldn't be used more than 6 times per calendar month, if for any reason a bonus code is used by an individual player over that amount the company reserves the right to further investigate bonus abusing pattern and deduct bonus winnings
12.10 Company reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to void any winnings and forfeit any balance (winnings and deposits) in your betting account, to terminate the Agreement and/or to suspend the provision of the Services or deactivate your account if: i) we identify you have disguised, or interfered, or taken steps to disguise or interfere, in any way with the IP address of any Device used to access our Site (such as using a Virtual Private Network “VPN”) ii) it comes to our attention that the customer used forged documents (photos, scanned documents, screenshots etc.) during the verification procedure or in any point time the Agreement is active iii) there is a reasonable suspicion that you have committed or attempted to commit a bonus abuse, either on your own or as part of a group iv) you are involved in any fraudulent, collusive, fixing or other unlawful activity in relation to Your or third parties’ participation or you use any software-assisted methods or techniques or hardware devices for Your participation in any of the services provided by the Company.
In addition, your activity was in breach of the Weekend Reload bonus Term:
8. The maximum bet amount a player can place when having an Active Sports Bonus is equal to the deposit amount. Should a player deposit more than the required amount to trigger the maximum bonus, the maximum bet amount a player can place equals the amount that triggers the maximum bonus. For example, for a Sports Bonus of 100% up to €100, if the player: a) deposits €50, the maximum bet amount is also €50, and b) deposits €150, the maximum bet amount is €100.
Lastly, kindly noted that your most recent deposit of 200,00€ is available in your account.
Do not hesitate to contact us in case you need any further help. Have a good day.
Kind regards,
BetnflixLast edited by Flower88; 06-27-24, 07:44 AM.Comment -
DearDavid
Wewould like to inform you that your withdrawal has been cancelled bythe payments department and the amount of 1349€ has been removedfrom your balance due to the breach of the following Terms &Conditions:
11.1. The following practices in relation tothe Services:
a) abuse of bonuses or other promotions(as defined in paragraph 11.4)
b) using unfair external factors orinfluences (commonly known as cheating)
c) taking unfair advantage(as defined in paragraph 11.4);
d) opening any Duplicate Accounts;and/or
e) undertaking fraudulent practice or criminal activity (asdefined in paragraph 11.4), constitute "Prohibited Practices"and are not permitted. We will take all reasonable steps to preventand detect such practices and to identify the relevant playersconcerned if they do occur.
11.2. You agree that youshall not participate in or be connected with any form of ProhibitedPractice in connection with your access to or use of theServices.
11.3. If:
a) We have reasonable grounds tobelieve that you have participated in or have been connected with anyform of Prohibited Practice (and the basis of our belief shallinclude the use by us of any fraud, cheating and collusion detectionpractices which are used in the gambling and gaming industry at therelevant time); or
b) You have placed bets and/or played onlinegames with any other online provider of gambling services and aresuspected (as a result of such play) of any Prohibited Practice orotherwise improper activity; or
c) We become aware that you have"charged back" or denied any of the purchases or depositsthat you made to your account; or
d) You become bankrupt or sufferanalogous proceedings anywhere in the world, then, (including inconnection with any suspension and/or termination of your account) weshall have the right, in respect of your account to withhold thewhole or part of the balance and/or recover from the account theamount of any deposits, pay-outs, bonuses or winnings which have beenaffected by or are in any way attributable to any of the event(s)outlined in this paragraph.
11.4. For the purposes ofthis paragraph 11:
a) A "fraudulent practice"means any fraudulent activity engaged in by you or by any personacting on your behalf or in collusion with you, and shall include,without limitation:
fraudulent charge-backs and rake-backactivity;
the use by you or any other person who was participatingin the same game as you at any time, of a stolen, cloned or otherwiseunauthorized credit or debit card, as a source of funds;
thecollusion by you with others in order to gain an unfair advantage(including through bonus schemes or similar incentives offered byus);
any attempt to register false or misleading accountinformation;
any actual or attempted act by you which isreasonably deemed by us to be illegal in any applicable jurisdiction,made in bad faith, or intended to defraud us and/or circumvent anycontractual or legal restrictions, regardless of whether such act orattempted act actually causes us any damage or harm;
b)An "unfair advantage" shall include, withoutlimitation:
the exploitation of a fault, loophole or error in ouror any third party's software used by you in connection with theServices (including in respect of any game);
the use of automatedplayers ('bots'), or other 3rd party software or analysis systems;or
the exploitation by you, of an 'Error' as defined in paragraph18, in any case either to your advantage and/or to the disadvantageof us or other.
c) A "Bonus Abuse" shallinclude:
Making a deposit to receive a bonus without any activityof the deposited funds
Cashing out for the purpose ofre-depositing
Betting both sides of a single event for the purposeof falsely achieving bonus wagering requirements
Referring newaccounts for your own use
All Bonuses are subject to bonus uselimitation based on the bonus engine, and, unless stated otherwise,they shouldn't be used more than 6 times per calendar month, if forany reason a bonus code is used by an individual player over thatamount the company reserves the right to further investigate bonusabusing pattern and deduct bonus winnings
12.10Company reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to void anywinnings and forfeit any balance (winnings and deposits) in yourbetting account, to terminate the Agreement and/or to suspend theprovision of the Services or deactivate your account if: i) weidentify you have disguised, or interfered, or taken steps todisguise or interfere, in any way with the IP address of any Deviceused to access our Site (such as using a Virtual Private Network“VPN”) ii) it comes to our attention that the customer usedforged documents (photos, scanned documents, screenshots etc.) duringthe verification procedure or in any point time the Agreement isactive iii) there is a reasonable suspicion that you have committedor attempted to commit a bonus abuse, either on your own or as partof a group iv) you are involved in any fraudulent, collusive, fixingor other unlawful activity in relation to Your or third parties’participation or you use any software-assisted methods or techniquesor hardware devices for Your participation in any of the servicesprovided by the Company.
Please note that youmay withdraw you rinitial deposit.
Donot hesitate to contact us in case you need any further help. Have agood day.
Kindregards,
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DearDavid
Wewould like to inform you that your withdrawal has beencancelled by the payments department and the amount of 962€ hasbeen removed from your balance due to the breach of the followingTerms & Conditions:
11.1. The followingpractices in relation to the Services:
a) abuse ofbonuses or other promotions (as defined in paragraph 11.4)
b)using unfair external factors or influences (commonly known ascheating)
c) taking unfair advantage (as defined in paragraph11.4);
d) opening any Duplicate Accounts; and/or
e) undertakingfraudulent practice or criminal activity (as defined in paragraph11.4), constitute "Prohibited Practices" and are notpermitted. We will take all reasonable steps to prevent and detectsuch practices and to identify the relevant players concerned if theydo occur.
11.2. You agree that you shall not participatein or be connected with any form of Prohibited Practice in connectionwith your access to or use of the Services.
11.3. If:
a)We have reasonable grounds to believe that you have participated inor have been connected with any form of Prohibited Practice (and thebasis of our belief shall include the use by us of any fraud,cheating and collusion detection practices which are used in thegambling and gaming industry at the relevant time); or
b) You haveplaced bets and/or played online games with any other online providerof gambling services and are suspected (as a result of such play) ofany Prohibited Practice or otherwise improper activity; or
c) Webecome aware that you have "charged back" or denied any ofthe purchases or deposits that you made to your account; or
d) Youbecome bankrupt or suffer analogous proceedings anywhere in theworld, then, (including in connection with any suspension and/ortermination of your account) we shall have the right, in respect ofyour account to withhold the whole or part of the balance and/orrecover from the account the amount of any deposits, pay-outs,bonuses or winnings which have been affected by or are in any wayattributable to any of the event(s) outlined in thisparagraph.
11.4. For the purposes of this paragraph11:
a) A "fraudulent practice" means anyfraudulent activity engaged in by you or by any person acting on yourbehalf or in collusion with you, and shall include, withoutlimitation:
fraudulent charge-backs and rake-back activity;
theuse by you or any other person who was participating in the same gameas you at any time, of a stolen, cloned or otherwise unauthorizedcredit or debit card, as a source of funds;
the collusion by youwith others in order to gain an unfair advantage (including throughbonus schemes or similar incentives offered by us);
any attempt toregister false or misleading account information;
any actual orattempted act by you which is reasonably deemed by us to be illegalin any applicable jurisdiction, made in bad faith, or intended todefraud us and/or circumvent any contractual or legal restrictions,regardless of whether such act or attempted act actually causes usany damage or harm;
b) An "unfair advantage"shall include, without limitation:
the exploitation of a fault,loophole or error in our or any third party's software used by you inconnection with the Services (including in respect of any game);
theuse of automated players ('bots'), or other 3rd party software oranalysis systems; or
the exploitation by you, of an 'Error' asdefined in paragraph 18, in any case either to your advantage and/orto the disadvantage of us or other.
c) A "BonusAbuse" shall include:
Making a deposit to receive a bonuswithout any activity of the deposited funds
Cashing out for thepurpose of re-depositing
Betting both sides of a single event forthe purpose of falsely achieving bonus wageringrequirements
Referring new accounts for your own use
AllBonuses are subject to bonus use limitation based on the bonusengine, and, unless stated otherwise, they shouldn't be used morethan 6 times per calendar month, if for any reason a bonus code isused by an individual player over that amount the company reservesthe right to further investigate bonus abusing pattern and deductbonus winnings
12.10 Company reserves theright, in its sole discretion, to void any winnings and forfeit anybalance (winnings and deposits) in your betting account, to terminatethe Agreement and/or to suspend the provision of the Services ordeactivate your account if: i) we identify you have disguised, orinterfered, or taken steps to disguise or interfere, in any way withthe IP address of any Device used to access our Site (such as using aVirtual Private Network “VPN”) ii) it comes to our attention thatthe customer used forged documents (photos, scanned documents,screenshots etc.) during the verification procedure or in any pointtime the Agreement is active iii) there is a reasonable suspicionthat you have committed or attempted to commit a bonus abuse, eitheron your own or as part of a group iv) you are involved in anyfraudulent, collusive, fixing or other unlawful activity in relationto Your or third parties’ participation or you use anysoftware-assisted methods or techniques or hardware devices for Yourparticipation in any of the services provided by theCompany.
Please note that you may withdrawyour last deposit.
Donot hesitate to contact us in case you need any further help. Have agood day.
Kindregards,
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So they send you all the terms. This gives them max flexibility when you go to Madre ( alternative dispute resolution). So you go to MADRE then they make some claims and then you can't respond anymore( you cant respond after L.C.S. limited response anymore) . I tought them it were lies and then they block sport section in your account when you say you will do a small court case. I did not withdraw my deposit amount what they gave back( they are smart enough to give deposit which is fraction of total winnings back) because I knew they would close my account to remove evidence. It is just a bit over 3500 euro but I also use this to learn. I did google And see they have about 30 bookies and casinos. There bookies give a generous 50% weekly bonus but you can only loose it or get your deposit back or they tolerate very small winnings . When you win they copy paste all the bonus abuse terms + the amount of the removed winnings.
Most people give very little push back. A lot of people are also very vulnerable that bet( addiction etc.) . Some people sometimes falsely accuse a bookie but when they are right they doubt it too( are not confident in their judging). So some bookies could think if I steal winnings I get accused but if I play fair I would be accused too just a little less.
Taking my winnings takes a minute but trying to get it back takes ages. Also if i I will win they do not have to pay like 5 fold my winnings. Just winnings and 200 euro judge costs so it pays out if you only care about money like L.C.S. limited and act this way. They also don't care about not having a licence in countrys where they have to haved one.Comment -
L.C.S. limited also uses irrelevant truths. So even if I could proof that I did nothing of all the terms they copy paste to me they told Madre that I did bet total balance. Maybe they send screenshot even to show it . But how much you can bet with 21red is just your deposit amount. When I lost some bets and had less then 200 left I did bet total balance( I only had 30 left at some point). Most judges have no experience with sportbetting. Best strategy against L.C.S. limited I think now is just ask a judge if it is fair that they just send all the terms to you wihtout being specific( exept against authoritys). Betnflix was the only of the 3 bookies that not only sended all bonus abuse terms but their bsic term 8 . They acussed me of breaking term 8( their unique basic term) but nobody intelligent agrees with them. They could have brainwashed me that I broke that term if I would have been 10 years old but not now.
They pretend to not understand that you need 2 times more deposit when it is a 50 percent bonus for same bonus amount. They only give example of 100 percent bonus ( max bet is deposit that is needed to recieve max bonus) and then pretend to not understand' deposit needed to recieve max bonus' when you need 200 to recieve 100 euro bonus and not 100 like their example explaines when it is a 100 percent bonus.Last edited by Flower88; 06-30-24, 11:14 AM.Comment -
I think now I learned that a time efficient way is to ask a judge when confronted with L.C.S. limited practises if it is fair that in my example betsamigo just send me all 12 abuse terms without saying which i did break and so did 21 red and betnflix send all abuse terms too + one basic term uniquely designed by them they hope you do break and when not they still accuse you of it. See post 20,21,22. As long as tolerated it works for them. They are sophisticated thieves, good brainwashers ( betnflix to most neurotypicals I think) and have IT skills ( shut down evidence sport betting section in account).Last edited by Flower88; 06-30-24, 11:12 AM.Comment -
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Because they have all my info I will not use most effective strategies against them even if they succeed to fool a judge without sportbetting experience. I never start a fight. I dont like to fight till im fighting. But I will try to get money back and at least learn a bit with court claim experience. I will quit after the court claim. It is not a huge amount of money the stole but also not a small amount to me.
BTW, They did pay a 2 million fine( L.C.S. limited with their sonsofslots nr 9 in post above casino ) in ther past against the dutch gambling association.Last edited by Flower88; 06-30-24, 12:02 PM.Comment -
Hello, I have a problem with a betting house from {lcs limited.. it's called sevenplay, how can I file a complaint? I have looked at all the options on the website and I can't find any option to send complaints, I wrote to you internally, please help me with this by answering me please,Comment -
This is crazy? These places are really legal?Comment -
I cannot see any message or complaint from you. You are welcome to PM me more information or post it here if you wish.
For Sven Play you can submit this form to have your grievance looked at https://madre-online.eu/file-a-claim-international/.Comment -
I won the small court case. They are ordered to pay since november 14 but have not so far. I think I have been generous enough to go to court. What L.C.S. limited does is when your account goes above 1000 with sportbooks bonus and you want to cash out they send you there 12 abuse terms without being specific and only give you deposit back. Then you can go to madre for judgement. But you can not defend against all their terms and they even shop outside of it( they know madre does not know anything). Then L.C.S. limited cooks up lies and then madre sides with them. Madre says themselves they dont investigate facts but look if procedure is followed correctly. But in the end they dont look at procedure but sides based on allegations from L.C.S. limited. If they would follow procedure they would judge of sending all 12 abuse terms to Player is a correct tactic. So never go to Madre. They are brain dead or subjective or this combination. Just go to court if you do something.Bailiff after they still dont pay only has success rate of 30% but Malta is a nice Iceland to visit anyway. Nice weather from March to October. At least when going after your money it can nicely combinated with a vacation Also 1 director does not life far away from company: Theodorus K.
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Congratulations!
I hope we eventually hear about you receiving the money too..Comment
