Bet365 - "tricky" live betting

**pjesnik24** · 09-25-09, 03:39 AM

Originally posted by fixxer

It seems for me, that the Bet365 live betting is a bit tricky...

I know, that all bookmakers have a 10+ seconds waiting time before accepting a live bet after the bettor clicked on place the bet...

Bet Bet365's process is a little bit "interesting" for me...today I was talking with my brother when he placed a bet (tennis), and as I saw the similar problem, I guessed it worths a topic....I have to mention, I recently don't bet at their office, my brother does - and he won this mentioned bet in the end, so no harm done, so this is not a "give my money back" complaint...

The issue is:
When a live bet is placed, and in the "waiting time" the odds changes (quite possible in a tennis live bet) :

- if it decreases, the bet is always rejected, as it should be...
- But if in the waiting time the odds increases, the bet is always accepted in the end of the waiting time - with the original (lower) odds...and this seems to be a little unfair for me.

For example my brother placed a live bet with 1.33 (-300) odds, that player 1 will win the 2nd set (the result was 15-0 at this time, and the player he bet on was serving). 2-3 seconds later, the score changed to 15-15, the odds went up to 1.44 (-227), and 6-7 seconds after this, the bet was accepted with odds: 1.33 (-300) (the score remained 15-15 during this).

And this is not a unique case, bet365's live betting works like this...

it is the same at willhill I believe

**Justin7** · 09-25-09, 08:28 AM

This bet processing method is brutal.

Although they don't offer tennis, I would take a look at both Pinnacle and BetPhoenix for live betting. Instant acceptance, no hassle for major sports.

**durito** · 09-25-09, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Justin7

This bet processing method is brutal.

Although they don't offer tennis, I would take a look at both Pinnacle and BetPhoenix for live betting. Instant acceptance, no hassle for major sports.

PInnacle has live betting on tennis. During changeovers only.

**Justin7** · 09-25-09, 09:34 AM

Thanks, Durito. Good to know.

**Chuck Sims** · 09-25-09, 11:05 AM

Bet365

fizzer, I have read many posts about the shady dealings of Bet365, including their live betting. Waiting 10+ seconds after you click to make a bet on running in-game is shady to say the least. Its crooked. One poster who called in to make a bet on a live game was asked which team he wanted to bet on before Bet365 would give him a line.

I make running in-game bets all the time and nearly all the time the bet is accepted/rejected instantly.

My advice: Find another sportsbook. You're getting shaded using Bet365.

**moonbeam** · 09-25-09, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by fixxer

It seems for me, that the Bet365 live betting is a bit tricky...

I know, that all bookmakers have a 10+ seconds waiting time before accepting a live bet after the bettor clicked on place the bet...

Bet Bet365's process is a little bit "interesting" for me...today I was talking with my brother when he placed a bet (tennis), and as I saw the similar problem, I guessed it worths a topic....I have to mention, I recently don't bet at their office, my brother does - and he won this mentioned bet in the end, so no harm done, so this is not a "give my money back" complaint...

The issue is:
When a live bet is placed, and in the "waiting time" the odds changes (quite possible in a tennis live bet) :

- if it decreases, the bet is always rejected, as it should be...
- But if in the waiting time the odds increases, the bet is always accepted in the end of the waiting time - with the original (lower) odds...and this seems to be a little unfair for me.

For example my brother placed a live bet with 1.33 (-300) odds, that player 1 will win the 2nd set (the result was 15-0 at this time, and the player he bet on was serving). 2-3 seconds later, the score changed to 15-15, the odds went up to 1.44 (-227), and 6-7 seconds after this, the bet was accepted with odds: 1.33 (-300) (the score remained 15-15 during this).

And this is not a unique case, bet365's live betting works like this...

That´s true fixxer. Bet365 do this since 6 years or so.

Years ago, at a time they don´t have "self refreshing" odds, this issue was much more crazier.
If for example the odds for player1 are -300, but in the meantime (because you havn´t refresh the odds for a while) the odds for player1 increases to +400 and you place the bet with -300, the bet were accepted.

That´s the buiseness they do for years now

**moonbeam** · 09-25-09, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by pjesnik24

it is the same at willhill I believe

thats true

**Chuck Sims** · 09-25-09, 11:45 AM

I find European books to be a rip-off. The 3-way boxing line they deal is unfair. Draws are graded as a loss for bets on either fighter. WTF is that? If they tried that in Las Vegas, there would be a riot.

**moonbeam** · 10-01-09, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Chuck Sims

Draws are graded as a loss for bets on either fighter. .

???

**fixxer** · 10-02-09, 06:39 AM

The same is true for basketball (both european and US) some places.

My local bookie (which sucks tho) for example only offers 3-way on basketball......which means if game goes to overtime, only the "draw" is a winner, 1-2 are lost, no matter who wins the OT....

**Stumpage** · 10-02-09, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by Justin7

I would take a look at both Pinnacle and BetPhoenix for live betting. Instant acceptance, no hassle for major sports.

Note though that when betting soccer, Pinnacle does include the following disclaimer on a placed wager:

"This wager is subject to deletion"

**nemo0000** · 10-02-09, 10:11 AM

I didn't do any tennis with bet365 , only soccer.
At soccer doesn't matter if the odd increase or decrease the bet will be rejected. Thats because they change the odds up and down if there is an occasion for goal.
They will rapidly change the 6 seconds delay to 16 .

**tomcowley** · 10-02-09, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by fixxer

The same is true for basketball (both european and US) some places.

My local bookie (which sucks tho) for example only offers 3-way on basketball......which means if game goes to overtime, only the "draw" is a winner, 1-2 are lost, no matter who wins the OT....

I really don't see the problem with dealing 1x2 on Boxing or on American sports (where they call OT a draw). Cris, Pinny, and 5D all had NHL regulation-time-only lines as well as "standard" OT included moneylines. It's only a ripoff if the juice is awful, like if they're dealing like -110 on both teams (OT loses), and also have a separate OT option. +105/+1500/+105 or something isn't bad.

**fixxer** · 10-03-09, 07:59 AM

No, it's not a real problem....my local bookie still sucks tho

**moonbeam** · 10-05-09, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by fixxer

No, it's not a real problem....my local bookie still sucks tho

I guess your topic here was bet365 and not your local book.
And this bet365 behavior is a terrible one

**20Four7** · 10-05-09, 07:07 PM

Bet 365 had me on like a 45 second delay during "live" betting and almost all my wagers were rejected..... then a week later I was shown the door. They do not want smart bettors period...... at least the one bet I got in was during the superbowl with the giants down I nailed $200 at +900 on the giants to win...... I think that's what sealed my fate there.

**moonbeam** · 10-11-09, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by 20Four7

Bet 365 had me on like a 45 second delay during "live" betting and almost all my wagers were rejected..... then a week later I was shown the door. They do not want smart bettors period...... at least the one bet I got in was during the superbowl with the giants down I nailed $200 at +900 on the giants to win...... I think that's what sealed my fate there.

. OK I don´t know. Bet365 don´t like winners and they also don´t like losers (I lose 10.000 Euro within 2 month at bet365)
They like 5 euro punters.

**v_spasov** · 10-11-09, 07:53 PM

Same thing for me..The match was HSV-Bayern the cancel goal of Klose.At the edn I prepare next goal for Bayern and when he score i place it and it thinks to confirm the bet,but all the markets were closed.That's the referee disallow the goal,but what do you think?Bet365 has been confirmed my bet...Very unfair.

**Ruifgalmeida** · 10-11-09, 10:06 PM

i think bet365 is a good book they never give my any problems that here not solve quick in the live chat, as for live beting all the the sites to the same thing, as for limits everybody knows that bet365 is recreational bookie

**andywend** · 10-12-09, 04:06 AM

The linemakers at Bet365 who set the odds for the live betting don't have a clue as to what they are doing.

Several years ago (when they accepted U.S. customers), I would compare their odds to that of Pinnacle and the total would be as much as 7 points different in the 4th quarter of NBA games.

If you know what you're doing, its almost IMPOSSIBLE to lose betting live at Bet365 and I have the feeling very little has changed since.

Instead of booting out all of their winning players, they should learn how to set more appropriate lines on their live betting.

**robmpink** · 10-12-09, 04:41 AM

**moonbeam** · 10-12-09, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by andywend

The linemakers at Bet365 who set the odds for the live betting don't have a clue as to what they are doing.

Several years ago (when they accepted U.S. customers), I would compare their odds to that of Pinnacle and the total would be as much as 7 points different in the 4th quarter of NBA games.

If you know what you're doing, its almost IMPOSSIBLE to lose betting live at Bet365 and I have the feeling very little has changed since.

Instead of booting out all of their winning players, they should learn how to set more appropriate lines on their live betting.

Everything bet365 learned the last 7 years is to boot and cheat their players in a very unfair way. But ok this 82 old owner of bet365 is a bit old fashioned