BetCascade account holders

**Doug** · 09-24-07, 10:49 PM

Sounds fishy that they would announce they paid ONE player, that doesn't make them look good, IMO !

**dog** · 09-24-07, 11:49 PM

Actually it makes them look better to me than they did just a few hours ago. I thought we could all write off our balances there.

**HedgeHog** · 09-25-07, 06:33 AM

Looks worse to me that they paid exactly one person. They'll use it refute the no-pay, scam allegations being legitimately made. Paying 10-12 people would've been more of a good faith effort IMO.

**Bill Dozer** · 09-25-07, 02:39 PM

Players are also advised to take screen shots of their account balances and of course, do not make wagers.

The fair thing for a book that wanted to start clearing its debt would be to distribute funds on a percentage basis so a player owed $200,000 gets something instead of seeing the group decrease in size. I am speaking hypothetically as there are no plans to distribute a set amount to the class or pay any specific player at this time.

The next step will be to get this list accessible online.

**White_Tiger** · 09-25-07, 04:08 PM

Bill I did send E-mail about my account there do you get all the info I sent?

Thanks

**Bill Dozer** · 09-25-07, 05:21 PM

Yes WH and just responded to it.

**shooter dan** · 09-25-07, 06:45 PM

cascade

Hello All,
I am a "newbie" here, though I have read the threads here at SBR for a long time. I recently registered and have provided all of my account info at Cascade to the address listed in this thread. For general information, Lenny has owed me six figures since January, when I requested all my money after hearing that Larry of DelMar pulled out.
I have read others comments on this forum concerning DelMars involvement in this fiasco, and want to add that I feel Larry is obligated to anyone who requested all their money from Cascade after hearing that DelMar was no longer backing Lenny. Larry's avoidance of this issue is truly disheartening, as up to this situation his name was gold....
As for Lenny, I call him regularly, and get the same old "No, I don't have any money, it's all tied up with processors." His original story was Neteller, but early on he changed it to "processors", as I guess he knew that sooner or later Neteller would make good-- which they did.
I do hope through this "class action", that we will be able to recover that which is rightfully ours; or at the least, STOP LENNY ONCE AND FOR ALL FROM SCAMMING ANYONE ELSE, AND MAKE ALL AWARE OF LARRY'S UNETHICAL AND ABRUPT EXIT FROM CASCADE AND SHIRKING HIS RESPONSIBILITEIS.

**Scorpion** · 09-26-07, 12:21 AM

Bill, I sent you my info and screen shot of my balance
thanks

**crockpot** · 09-26-07, 03:24 PM

My account balance will be heavily influenced by the outcome of some pending MLB Futures bets. How should I handle this?

**Breaker** · 09-26-07, 03:28 PM

We'll all be very lucky if this gets resolved before those MLB futures get decided.

I would suggest taking screenshots of what you have now, as well as your pending bets.

Send SBR your current balance, you can always adjust it later.

**priceperheadexpert** · 09-26-07, 03:34 PM

The whole CASCADE fiasco is a sham..They answer their fones, they are on DON BEST..How can a constituency of people who are owed $$$ allow these people to operate without them giving a plan to SBR on how they intend to right this wrong..If the book is open for biz, they should at least be attempting to consolidate some of these payouts..If not then those who are dealing with them currently will never get paid..Whats the motivation to play at a place thats not paying debt to those who are owed for months..

**DrSlamm** · 09-27-07, 01:24 AM

Scorpion : you should assume that any money in cascade doesnt exist along with all bets.

**Bill Dozer** · 09-27-07, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by crockpot

My account balance will be heavily influenced by the outcome of some pending MLB Futures bets. How should I handle this?

A few others are in the same position. Report the balance of what should be payable as well as what you have pending. If you take screenshots you should include one of your pending bets screen.

**Breaker** · 09-27-07, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

Cascade states that they have paid a player last week and will begin making weekly payments to owed players.

I guess a company like MoneyWindow.net would come in handy for that now.

**Doug** · 09-27-07, 11:53 PM

Cascade states that they have paid a player last week and will begin making weekly payments to owed players.

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I hope that isn't $1/week for 5,000-10,000 weeks !

**suzysuzy** · 09-28-07, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by Doug

Cascade states that they have paid a player last week and will begin making weekly payments to owed players.

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I hope that isn't $1/week for 5,000-10,000 weeks !

youre not saying you actually believe them, are you?????

**Bill Dozer** · 09-28-07, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by suzysuzy

youre not saying you actually believe them, are you?????

We did verify this yesterday. It was a post-up player says he was waiting 5 months for close to 5 figures. Cascade states that this was a recent withdrawal that took 5 days and that the player originall deposited in July.

**HedgeHog** · 09-28-07, 09:16 AM

Time for Lenny to skip town. We're a month into Football and there are no new lambs for slaughter. No buyout in sight and SBR is putting the heat on--so what's to keep him around?

**suzysuzy** · 09-28-07, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

We did verify this yesterday. It was a post-up player waiting 5 months for close to 5 figures.

i mostly meant the part about weekly payments to everyone starting.

**JELLYBEAN** · 09-28-07, 04:43 PM

That's such a joke. What did he do..pay his buddy to say he paid him...I highly doubt any "real" player got paid a damn thing

**SBR_John** · 09-28-07, 04:48 PM

I think it was a real player. Not sure what leverage he had but there had to be some.

We are still gathering balances and legal information. Once we have the balances we are going to find out how this rubber is going to meet the road.

**HedgeHog** · 09-28-07, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

I think it was a real player. Not sure what leverage he had but there had to be some.

We are still gathering balances and legal information. Once we have the balances we are going to find out how this rubber is going to meet the road.

Wake Up! SBR held its downgrade until the start of the NFL season, despite all the evidence to the contrary. You finally take a tough stance, and now one jerk gets paid and you're willing to go back to your original lax stand. Grow a pair!

**Breaker** · 09-28-07, 05:23 PM

From the conversations you've had with him the last few days, does Lenny sound like he'll actualy pay to a certain extent?

**RonPaul2008** · 09-28-07, 05:45 PM

So they paid one guy 5 figures...his whole balance..and nobody else anything!?! Meanwhile I have been waiting since March...or 7 months...and have been with them for years. What a joke.

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

We did verify this yesterday. It was a post-up player says he was waiting 5 months for close to 5 figures. Cascade states that this was a recent withdrawal that took 5 days and that the player originall deposited in July.

**suzysuzy** · 09-28-07, 06:29 PM

yeah it actually makes me angrier that he paid one guy than if he paid no one at all.

**White_Tiger** · 09-28-07, 09:32 PM

My was march 5th almost 7 month. still no words from them.

**pokerking** · 09-29-07, 08:02 AM

A few months ago Lenny was in Panama. It wouldn't surprise me if he was down there to hide the players money that he stole.

**pokerking** · 09-29-07, 08:32 AM

A few months ago Lenny was in Panama. It wouldn't surprise me if he was down there to hide the players money that he stole.

**priceperheadexpert** · 09-29-07, 09:28 AM

SBR has offices in Costa Rica..Why dont they send a rep over there on a Sunday to see what the activity is at the book..This way they can monitor what the chances are of those owed will be..

**Bill Dozer** · 09-29-07, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

Wake Up! SBR held its downgrade until the start of the NFL season, despite all the evidence to the contrary. You finally take a tough stance, and now one jerk gets paid and you're willing to go back to your original lax stand. Grow a pair!

Originally posted by Breaker

From the conversations you've had with him the last few days, does Lenny sound like he'll actualy pay to a certain extent?

We don't have any more information than what is shared on the forum and don't want to speculate or try to interpret any minor actions or lack of. We are going to move forward with the options available and hope for positive results.

**HedgeHog** · 09-29-07, 01:17 PM

Fair enough, Bill. Just tired of the stall tactics by Cascade. I would be shocked if they began a payment plan. And the payment to just one guy is a slap in the face to everyone owed money. IMO, SBR should assume Lenny has no intention of honoring his huge debt and proceed accordingly (as it seems you are). The clock has run out on Cascade.

**ritehook** · 09-29-07, 01:26 PM

The guy that Cascade paid possibly did a 50% kickback, just to get some of his money. And probably in exchange for being a poster boy for Cascade's supposed good intentions, and not spilling any beans about the backroom deal.

**katstale** · 09-29-07, 04:20 PM

If that's the case--I call "NEXT"

**Bill Dozer** · 10-01-07, 04:49 PM

BetCascade Balance List This is a list of account balances from Cascade players who have submitted their details to SBR.

Players can see if their account is included by matching their initials, last two digits of account ID and balance.