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  • AngerM85
    SBR Rookie
    • 04-21-20
    • 2

    #1
    Questionable behaviour from 18bet
    Hi all,

    I recently had a very unpleasant experience w/ 18bet and I'd like to get some opinions on that.
    I've deposited 250 EUR with them just before CoVid-19 outbreak.
    As a consequence, basically all sport events I usually bet on have been canceled and I just wanted to withdraw my money again (no bets made, no transactions, no bonus claims, no nothing) - just due to the lack of any betting opportunities. Remark: I also deposited with 2 other bookmakers within that timeframe and a withdrawl was absolutely no problem whatsoever.
    18bet, however, rejected my withdrawl, citing their T&C, that a minimum roll-over of five (!) times of any deposited amount is required before a withdrawl is possible and that I may browse their site for other bets; which I did for a few days (really tried to find anything bettable).
    So far, so good, but due to the fact that I just have nothing to bet on (besides second tasmanian womens volleyball league or thelike), I kindly asked them to grant an exemption giving these special circumstances. They refused again.

    In reply, I also cited their T&C which state that "[...] Shark77 Limited reserves the right to charge withdrawals with fees to cover administrative costs, in case the deposit amount is not rolled over at least 5 times."
    Ok, thought it might cost me a bit, but at least I get my money back. I still consider a minimum roll-over of five times ridiculously high, but ok, my bad that I deposited with them.

    I explicitly asked them to give me a number of how high they'd consider these "special fees" to be.
    However, they did not reply to that, now they just told me that "bank transfer" would not be available as a method for withdrawls and I should opt for another withdrawl method.
    I opened a Skrill account and initiated another withdrawl request.
    They rejected it again, telling me that I'd have to provide copies of my Skrill details, ID card and prove of address first.
    I did provide all the docuements requested.
    Next withdrawl request was rejected again, citing (on my question why) their T&C and the roll-over requirement again.
    Once more, I tried to point to a) the exceptional circumstances around Covid-19 and b) their own T&C, which say that they reserve the right to charge additional fees on money which has not been wagered 5 times. And that I explicitly want to make use of that if they are not fair enough to grant an exception.

    Rejected again, minimum roll-over requirement. And still no word of why their own (!) terms phrase the possibility of charging a fee on money not rolled over 5 times, if they do not make use of it even know in times of corona - when else?! And again, I didn’t place any bets, I don’t claim any winnings, bonuses or thelike - I just want the money back that I sent them.

    Next thing will probably be that they will charge me fees for "inactivity"...
    On the pro side: their support was quite responsive, but that still does not get me my money back.

    Any suggestions from your side on what to do now? Opinions?

    Any feedback highly appreciated.

    Many thanks!
    Best
    Anger
  • Bettor777
    SBR Rookie
    • 02-23-20
    • 16

    #2
    My friend 18bet is located in Plodviv,Bulgaria and owned by the jew Avi Shemesh.I had a bad experience with them they send my deposit back ank kept my winnings.Its the worst bookmaker out there.They are very greedy and they do not like if someone cash out.They are so crooked you have no idea.I know them in depth.
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    • Duo42
      SBR Rookie
      • 02-02-16
      • 46

      #3
      I had the same issue and completed the rollover with Blackjack. Playing the optimal strategy, the EV is -.5% of the total turnover.
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      • Optional
        Administrator
        • 06-10-10
        • 60637

        #4
        Not a fan of 18bet, but you're probably going to have do that 5x rollover , or roll the dice on how much "admin fee" they take. If you have bet nothing it will probably be large. If you have completed half the rollover it will probably be less, which is why they don't quote a set amount.
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        • MeanPeopleSuck
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 04-29-17
          • 950

          #5
          I bleed with you, brother. 5 times roll on a no bonus deposit is ridiculous. It's usually just one times.

          Like seemingly everyone else on this thread, I've had a bad experience with 18bet. They're just not the kind of book that's gonna do anybody a favor.

          So unfortunately, I suspect your only options are the Tasmanian women's volleyball route or just waiting it out.
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          • Optional
            Administrator
            • 06-10-10
            • 60637

            #6
            Originally posted by MeanPeopleSuck
            They're just not the kind of book that's gonna do anybody a favor.
            +1
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            • lonnie55
              SBR MVP
              • 04-08-16
              • 2689

              #7
              Originally posted by Bettor777
              My friend 18bet is located in Plodviv,Bulgaria and owned by the jew Avi Shemesh.
              You mean Israeli? Why is it important which religion he belongs to? How do you even know he is a Jew?

              Please stop posting anti-semitic BS.
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              • craftbrewer
                SBR High Roller
                • 08-07-18
                • 181

                #8
                Originally posted by lonnie55
                You mean Israeli? Why is it important which religion he belongs to? How do you even know he is a Jew?

                Please stop posting anti-semitic BS.
                If he knows that guy's first and last name, it is not difficult to guess that guy is Israeli looking at such first and last name
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                • lonnie55
                  SBR MVP
                  • 04-08-16
                  • 2689

                  #9
                  Originally posted by craftbrewer
                  If he knows that guy's first and last name, it is not difficult to guess that guy is Israeli looking at such first and last name
                  There is just no need to mention he is a Jew, if he even is.
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                  • CIS
                    SBR Hustler
                    • 07-29-19
                    • 62

                    #10
                    Originally posted by lonnie55
                    There is just no need to mention he is a Jew, if he even is.
                    What difference does it makes? if someone is a jew or whatever religion, then there should be no problem admitting that.
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                    • lonnie55
                      SBR MVP
                      • 04-08-16
                      • 2689

                      #11
                      Originally posted by CIS
                      What difference does it makes? if someone is a jew or whatever religion, then there should be no problem admitting that.
                      Why even mention it??? Is it so hard to grasp my point?
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                      • Optional
                        Administrator
                        • 06-10-10
                        • 60637

                        #12
                        Originally posted by lonnie55

                        Why even mention it??? Is it so hard to grasp my point?
                        We know why he mentions it. And it says more about CIS and craftbrewer than anyone or anything else anyway.

                        This is a sportsbook thread. Let's stick to that.
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                        • Bettor777
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 02-23-20
                          • 16

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Optional
                          We know why he mentions it. And it says more about CIS and craftbrewer than anyone or anything else anyway.

                          This is a sportsbook thread. Let's stick to that.
                          You know why I mentioned that his religion or background is jew??
                          Hmmm.Intersting
                          As much as you try to protect crooked bookmakers a THiEF is a THIEF.
                          Tell me why online casinos and bookmakers are such a lucrative buissness? 95% of bettors are in the red zone
                          Its obvious you will loose in the long term no matter how sharp you are.
                          Please tell me who are the founders of the main online casino softwares?.Who controls up to 30% of online casinos and betting sites? Who controls binary trade platforms?
                          At least we should know where money goes.
                          And I do not care what religion Avi Shemesh is.He stole from me and I will not forget.
                          Ps a lot of this money goes also on big affilate accounts?
                          Is that you Optional???
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                          • AngerM85
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 04-21-20
                            • 2

                            #14
                            Hey all, many thanks for all the replys, at least I am not the only one having issues with them.

                            So seems I have to decide between:

                            1) Waiting for the sports world to ramp up again,
                            2) Roll the dice on the "admin fee" or
                            3) Play it out via a minimum exp. loss strategy

                            Guess I have to think about, but as I am not really willing (and fortunately not forced to) accepted some random hair-cuts on my deposit (esp. without having concrete numbers beforehand), it will probably be 1) or 3).

                            Will let u know afterwards, maybe it can serve as kind of a best practice for others experiencing the same.

                            Thanks again to all of you!

                            Cheers
                            Anger
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                            • nerdyguy
                              SBR Hustler
                              • 04-04-20
                              • 89

                              #15
                              Did the rollover, went fine afterwards
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