SBR please downgrade ranking of 1bet, and blacklist 1bet, babibet , 18bet

**lonnie55** · 07-16-20, 10:22 AM

I agree. Although I acknowledge the fact that SBR is US-focused they should not ignore that they have a lot of EU books in their listings + ratings and also many visitors from EU countries. With ratings comes responsibility.

1bet is not a C+ book anymore, rather D- plus a note that points to the recent incidents!

SBR, who or what is stopping you from posting a news on the 1bet site?

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/betting-sites/1bet/

**Vyasports** · 07-16-20, 10:31 AM

I agree and I will spread the word.

**todorce** · 07-16-20, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Vyasports

I agree and I will spread the word.

As you can see, there are a large number of cases of fraud in these bookmakers. Did any of them solve the problem and return the money?

**Andrii Mamonov** · 07-19-20, 04:04 AM

Please add my case to this list:

Please advice, what to do in this case: I ask Babibet to change account currency, they sent me email - you account in Euro currency is closed , you feel free to open new one. I do. Deposit 900 usd, play few month, 3600 usd on balance. Ask for withdraw - account blocked - balance confiscated. Reason - duplicate account. But new account was open after invite of support and email with phrase " you feel free to open new account" I am not violate rule regarding " duplicate accounts" and not violate any other terms and conditions. My new account was initiated by Babibet, it is no my idea. Support advice it is only way to change currency and new account opening with the know of Babibet. But now Babibet confiscate my blance and ignore my emails and reasons.
"feel free to open new account" and than banned due duplicate account. Funny trap, yes?
I have sent complaint to Curacao, but no answer. Please advice what to do, and how to made complaints?

**redcar** · 07-19-20, 07:47 AM

Can you prove it in writing?

Do you have copies and recordings of this agreement?

**Andrii Mamonov** · 07-22-20, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by redcar

Can you prove it in writing?

Do you have copies and recordings of this agreement?

Of course:

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**BetBothSides** · 08-24-20, 12:32 PM

I have an update and good news to anyone who has ever had their funds confiscated from 18bet due to duplicate IP addresses used. I had $37,000 seized back in February due to this bonus claim. I brought this to the ADR who sided completely with me and told 18bet to return my funds however they only returned 5000 euros which is the maximum amount they were binded to. I then got lawyers involved (Green Table Legal) who wrote them a letter saying we're going to court and also contacted MGA. MGA finally listened and directed 18bet to release the rest of my funds which I received today.

While I still to this day contend that I did not use a multiple IP the key argument was that they did not have anything in their terms and conditions (at the time) about using multiple IP addresses as there's many valid reasons one may have a shared one (library, coffee shop, VPN, etc). 18bet have since updated their rules in June to account for the IP address however anyone who had their money confiscated for this reason before then should be subject to their older rules and have their money returned. They likely even cited their old rules in email conversations with you when they seized the money which does not include mention if IP addresses.

I strongly suggest you contact the ADR (Pardee Consulta) who will likely side in your favor if you use the same argument.

Good luck!

**Optional** · 08-24-20, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by BetBothSides

I have an update and good news to anyone who has ever had their funds confiscated from 18bet due to duplicate IP addresses used. I had $37,000 seized back in February due to this bonus claim. I brought this to the ADR who sided completely with me and told 18bet to return my funds however they only returned 5000 euros which is the maximum amount they were binded to. I then got lawyers involved (Green Table Legal) who wrote them a letter saying we're going to court and also contacted MGA. MGA finally listened and directed 18bet to release the rest of my funds which I received today.

While I still to this day contend that I did not use a multiple IP the key argument was that they did not have anything in their terms and conditions (at the time) about using multiple IP addresses as there's many valid reasons one may have a shared one (library, coffee shop, VPN, etc). 18bet have since updated their rules in June to account for the IP address however anyone who had their money confiscated for this reason before then should be subject to their older rules and have their money returned. They likely even cited their old rules in email conversations with you when they seized the money which does not include mention if IP addresses.

I strongly suggest you contact the ADR (Pardee Consulta) who will likely side in your favor if you use the same argument.

Good luck!

Thanks BBS, great info.

I will alert the dispute agent looking after these books to read this post.

**BetBothSides** · 08-24-20, 12:55 PM

I'm happy to help with more info if he needs it. Not sure if I have DM access, but if he responds here I'll share whatever I can to help

**DontTailMe** · 08-24-20, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by BetBothSides

I have an update and good news to anyone who has ever had their funds confiscated from 18bet due to duplicate IP addresses used. I had $37,000 seized back in February due to this bonus claim. I brought this to the ADR who sided completely with me and told 18bet to return my funds however they only returned 5000 euros which is the maximum amount they were binded to. I then got lawyers involved (Green Table Legal) who wrote them a letter saying we're going to court and also contacted MGA. MGA finally listened and directed 18bet to release the rest of my funds which I received today.

While I still to this day contend that I did not use a multiple IP the key argument was that they did not have anything in their terms and conditions (at the time) about using multiple IP addresses as there's many valid reasons one may have a shared one (library, coffee shop, VPN, etc). 18bet have since updated their rules in June to account for the IP address however anyone who had their money confiscated for this reason before then should be subject to their older rules and have their money returned. They likely even cited their old rules in email conversations with you when they seized the money which does not include mention if IP addresses.

I strongly suggest you contact the ADR (Pardee Consulta) who will likely side in your favor if you use the same argument.

Good luck!

How can you even play at a book which has a no multiple IP address rule? If I log in on my phone and home computer, I'm playing at their mercy.

**lonnie55** · 08-25-20, 05:39 AM

Originally posted by DontTailMe

How can you even play at a book which has a no multiple IP address rule? If I log in on my phone and home computer, I'm playing at their mercy.

I've been using this site from multiple devices and IPs for years without any problems.

Besides, what does it even matter what they state in their terms? Every single unregulated book (Malta/Curacao/Costa Rica license means de facto unregulated) has partly illegal terms. Either they pay or they don't. If they don't they will find a reason.

Usually MGA gives a sh*t about whether or not the book had a legit reason for not paying a customers. I'm surprised that @BetBothSides was successful. It's actually the first time I hear that MGA helped a customers to receive his winnings.

**DontTailMe** · 08-25-20, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by lonnie55

Besides, what does it even matter what they state in their terms? Every single unregulated book (Malta/Curacao/Costa Rica license means de facto unregulated) has partly illegal terms. Either they pay or they don't. If they don't they will find a reason.

I hear what you're saying, but in this case, the book actually DID try to not pay based on the multiple IPs.

**Optional** · 08-25-20, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by lonnie55

I've been using this site from multiple devices and IPs for years without any problems.

Besides, what does it even matter what they state in their terms? Every single unregulated book (Malta/Curacao/Costa Rica license means de facto unregulated) has partly illegal terms. Either they pay or they don't. If they don't they will find a reason.

Usually MGA gives a sh*t about whether or not the book had a legit reason for not paying a customers. I'm surprised that @BetBothSides was successful. It's actually the first time I hear that MGA helped a customers to receive his winnings.

I'm also shocked MGA would argue for the full amount after book tried to pull the 5K max under arbitration move.

Betbothsides must have had a very strong case. Or something has changed at the MGA.

**BetBothSides** · 08-25-20, 05:29 PM

My case is strong but i believe that everyone else who had a similar issue with their duplicate IP rule is in the exact same boat and will win just as easy.

Follow these exact steps:
1) File complaint to ADR (Pardee Consulta)
2) 18bet will pay out up to 5k
3) Contact Green Table Legal and they will get their lawyers to do the rest

Below is the blueprint of what to include in the ADR complaint.

**DontTailMe** · 08-25-20, 10:23 PM

I'll never do business with this bookie due to my location, but I have to commend you on making such an outstanding contribution to the forum!

**gryzonko** · 08-30-20, 08:55 AM

Any idea , who can help me with 1bet which is licenced outside EU (Curacao)? The accuse was exacly the same- multiple accounts.

**BetBothSides** · 09-04-20, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by BetBothSides

My case is strong but i believe that everyone else who had a similar issue with their duplicate IP rule is in the exact same boat and will win just as easy.

Follow these exact steps:
1) File complaint to ADR (Pardee Consulta)
2) 18bet will pay out up to 5k
3) Contact Green Table Legal and they will get their lawyers to do the rest

Below is the blueprint of what to include in the ADR complaint.

While I tried to redact any identifying information from the screenshots, I have removed them completely out of an abundance of caution should I have missed anything.

For the record 18bet paid me in full in the end, after a lengthy battle. Each side believed they were right and they believe the delay was simply a matter of following the policies and guildlines of the regulators.

What I wrote was completely truthful and was in no way motivated by wanting to harm the reputation of 18bet, it's meant to help others in a similar situation. While I think its possible that my case can be applicable to other forum users each case may have unique circumstances so my use of the term "blueprint" was a poor choice of words. Use your own judgement based on the merits of your own case.

SBR Moderator, to avoid any possible misinterpretations can you please remove post #15 I created in this thread?

**Optional** · 09-04-20, 09:11 AM

Sorry BetBothSides, we do not like to delete posts due to books threatening players.

Please ask them to contact SBR if they are unhappy with anything posted on the forum.

**gryzonko** · 09-06-20, 07:15 AM

Whats to hell is going on?
Why so useful informations were removed?
Why SBR still not downgraded 1bet?

**Optional** · 09-06-20, 08:37 AM

Yes a big shame the info was removed.

He says they claimed it was slander and threatened him.

I tried to talk him out of removing it.

If anyone kept a copy, feel free to re-post it. Nothing slanderous about sharing a regualtor/ADR service ruling.

**gryzonko** · 09-06-20, 10:59 AM

1bet, 18bet, babibet They are just criminals....
Optional who in SBR can update ranking of 1bet?

**Optional** · 09-06-20, 11:58 AM

The ratings manager.

**BigdaddyQH** · 09-06-20, 11:58 AM

More crap from off track sites. You people will NEVER learn, will you?

**gryzonko** · 09-06-20, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Optional

The ratings manager.

How can I contact with him?

**Optional** · 09-06-20, 12:52 PM

The Contact Us link at the bottom of the page is the best way.

**DontTailMe** · 09-06-20, 02:41 PM

I can't even tell what was removed. The screenshots are all still there, aren't they?

**Optional** · 09-06-20, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by DontTailMe

I can't even tell what was removed. The screenshots are all still there, aren't they?

Not for me.

If you see them, maybe save the images and repost for us.

**DontTailMe** · 09-06-20, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Optional

Not for me.

If you see them, maybe save the images and repost for us.

To be clear on what we're talking about here, you don't see ANY images in Post #15?

I'm saving them right now as I await your answer. Will re-post them if confirmed necessary.

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 09-07-20, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by DontTailMe

To be clear on what we're talking about here, you don't see ANY images in Post #15?
I'm saving them right now as I await your answer. Will re-post them if confirmed necessary.

They're probably cached for you somewhere. Not visible for me either.

**DontTailMe** · 09-07-20, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by HeeeHAWWWW

They're probably cached for you somewhere. Not visible for me either.

Thanks for confirming we are talking about the images in post #15. Will post them soon.

**DontTailMe** · 09-07-20, 01:58 PM

THE POST BELOW THIS LINE IS NOT MY CONTENT. RE-POSTING THIS USEFUL INFORMATION FROM ANOTHER MEMBER.

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My case is strong but i believe that everyone else who had a similar issue with their duplicate IP rule is in the exact same boat and will win just as easy.

Follow these exact steps:
1) File complaint to ADR (Pardee Consulta)
2) 18bet will pay out up to 5k
3) Contact Green Table Legal and they will get their lawyers to do the rest

Below is the blueprint of what to include in the ADR complaint.

**Optional** · 09-07-20, 02:05 PM

If 18bet reads this and has a problem with this information being posted here, please contact SBR via the Contact Us link below.

**Optional** · 09-07-20, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by GlazerGlass

so some mystical guy is behind all of SBR ratings? How does he decide things? As this situation downgrade seems rather obvious, dont you think optional?

Yes I do and have passed on my opinion to my manager asking for a downgrade.

I am not involved in the book ratings here at all. Forum mods are low on the totem pole administration wise and SBR is much larger than most realize. But I agree the blacklist is in order for this lot.

**gryzonko** · 10-30-20, 09:07 AM

Optional sorry but I must to say it - SBR works really bad . I have wrote to SBR again few weeks ago, and ask to a update ranking of 1bet. No feedback , no answer, no actions...
SBR knows about 1bet, 18bet, Babibet frauds from many months. Mods said us - contact with manager. We cannot do anything. For us victimis of this scam, contact with SBR ranking manager in mission impossible, nobody respond.
This month we got next victim, user Infotimbo lost 4000 euro with next false assume. SBR rank of 1bet is still C+ ...
1bet thinks it goes unpunished. Next month will be next victims of this scam. I am very concerned that SBR is not going to stop it.