Lou, I have their email and chat transcript that says if I pay this $800 debt they will open my account back up with the winnings, so I was waiting for your advice whether or not to just do that because at this point whatever bs they are making up is irrelevant if they are saying I can resolve it by paying $800. I know you all take a neutral stance, but I know their position that the same billing address is BS unless I have such horrible luck that I'm going to get hit by lightning tonight. Total bluff on their part and someone needs to call them out on it if not for them telling me I can just resolve this for $800....
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i can't even begin to read through all this shitComment -
daniel,
I have your complaint (you should have received an email from me). The less you say in this thread, the better your chances are. Anything you say here will be used against you, but cannot help your case. Do not give them any more ammunition. If you are serious about having any chance of getting paid, I'd suggest you abstain from posting until I take a full swing at this.Comment -
Thanks Justin
I just wanted to keep documenting and informing SBR on everything until I heard from you guys, and now that I have, can you delete this thread and just let everyone know what happens ? I tried deleting my posts but don't seem to be able to.
I think no matter what you guys find out or resolve, they want their $800 debt that my account has been linked to by bad luck and coincidence for using different internet signals to log back in.... So is your advice to just pay the debt? I have their emails and chats that say if I pay it my account and winnings will be restored...Comment -
My summary thoughts after reading everything:
1. The OP, like many before him, has confused the forum itself for the complaint form...or maybe more appropriately, is just naive since he is new here and doesn't realize that this community is now focused on other...pursuits...than simply being an arbitrator with the sportsbook industry. As Justin7 said, the unfortunate thing is that he unknowingly aired his dirty laundry on the public forum rather than via the private complaint form. If you don't read anything else, read this: STOP POSTING...IMMEDIATELY...SBR will update the forum as things develop, the first rule of digging yourself out of a hole is to stop digging.
2. This whole "send us $800 more and we'll reactivate your account" thing is very troubling. To me it sounds like the Nigerian scammers who tell people they need their help getting $1,000,000 out of the country, and by simply paying the processing fees, they'll get the lion's share of the bounty. I think the guys around the office at sb.com will be high-fiving each other and laughing if Daniel actually sends them the additional $800 that was purportedly stolen by someone he has no relationship with whatsoever. But like the Nigerian scam, people think they're so close to the big pile of money that they are willing to do anything, no matter how ridiculous it seems, to get it. In this case, it is absolutely and completely ridiculous that they simply need you to send them $800 and they will then open the floodgates to the $25,000 balance.
3. Never forget that these sportsbooks are untouchable from a legal standpoint. I got the feeling from your conversations with them, especially there at the end, that you were trying to get them to state, in writing, the terms and conditions by which you'll get paid, thus leaving a paper trail/proof. You absolutely must realize that at the end of the day, they're gonna do whatever the hell they want. The great, great thing about SBR is that in this shady industry, surrounded by other entities like them that are secretly in bed with the sportsbooks, SBR will ultimately, if theft from players is clear, side with the player. Always. But...with that being said...they are not the 'judicial branch' and have no legal authority. They are an arbitrator whose opinion is still only that...an opinion. If you send them the $800 and they reactivate your account, it's very likely that they'll 'discuss' it with SBR for months and eventually decide that they would prefer to steal your money rather than win the approval of SBR. That is why this website and their service exists, because at the end of the day, all we have to hold against these books is their rating. Unfortunately for you, you're dealing with one whose M.O. is to hover just above the 'blacklist' threshhold and talk about how far they've come recently relative to their outright theft in the past, which is only an extended exercise in placating and bullshitting SBR and its members long enough to get a healthy share of our business.
Best of luck. To me you certainly just sound naive, but you need to realize that depositing small and then taking huge shots is the kind of behavior generally associated with ********** scam artists. With that being said, the way sb.com has handled itself thus far is reprehensible. One day they're going to do this to the wrong guy, someone who has nothing left to lose, and that guy is going to show up in Costa Rica or where ever the fukk they are and exact vengeance on one of these smartass little punks that think they can openly insult and rob anyone they choose.Last edited by Hoja Verdes; 02-09-11, 11:01 PM.Comment -
This seems like a repeat of a few years back...Comment -
That's exactly how I'm feeling, but I'm confused why Sportsbook.com would actually state this on email and chat transcripts? Saying this to me over the phone is one thing, but aren't they worried that their deceit is going to show loud and clear if they don't honor what they say is going to happen if I pay the $800??? I don't get why they would lie to me in a way that gives me proof and bolsters my claim.... If SBR can delete this whole thread I would appreciate it, and I will let them handle this from here behind the scenes.Comment -
This guy is just trying to scam Sportsbook.com. They are not making up anything in my opinionComment -
delete the thread, you chargedback...affecting us all...then you won and you want your money? you created a thread on here to get them to pay you.
i dont play there but know people that do and dont have your issue, they dont suddenly move into a house with known ********** issues, you either live in a shite neighbourhood or stop moving your trailer.
3 paged threads with numerous bullshit scripts from a poor clerk and you lying doesnt mean shit dude....Comment -
daniel,
We don't delete threads here. Please give me time to work on this. The less you post, the more likely you are to win.Comment -
You don't know what your talking about. I didn't move into any house with known ********** issues. The house I've lived in for 18 years is a secured IP signal and that is where I opened my sportsbook.com account and I can guarantee no other sportsbook.com account shares that IP address. Later on I accessed my account from public signals - so what!? Outside of never logging in my account from my own home, I could not have prevented this. and Mission Viejo, California is in the top 5 safest cities in the US man. Along with Newport, and the surrounding cities of Orange County.
I really wish you'd delete my thread, or allow the edit option on all the posts not just the most recent....Comment -
This is what I thought as soon as OP mentioned that as well. I don't know if SBook would do something like that, which could damage their reputation even if they claimed the guy was previously involved in a **********, but it just doesn't make any logical sense for them to request that he send them $800 so that they could then send him $26K.Comment -
I hadn't asked for a payout. I was planning on requesting maybe $5,000 for now to pay my buddy and a little for me, but I plan to keep wagering.... just clarifying... Great post with your 1,2,3 points.... And I still don't see what all the hoopla is on how I put my parlays together, if you guys notice, I only tried to win $3k and $2 in the first 2 parlays, that was all I really expected... The bigger ones were just for fun on Super Bowl Sunday, like buying a lottery ticket. The smaller ones I needed to win and put them in to hedge the bigger ones. I was being careful and safe with my deposit, and I don't think it resembles a scammer at all... they probably just bet all their money on big parlays, I only bet half of it on big parlays and the other half was just trying to win $5,000 back from my $2,000 balance start after the 3 game soccer won.Comment -
How does anyone not see this?
"Whenever a deposit is stopped/reversed (Sportsbook.com) reserves the right to void all activity in the account and the account holder will forfeit any accounts winnings deriving from the stopped/reversed deposit."
Lets say the OP did in fact open up those other accounts and charged back 800. He DID NOT win off ********** funds....he won off of CLEARED NON ********** FUNDS. That rule is clear as day....no way to swing it. SB.com has no choice, based on that rule, not to pay his winnings minus $800 and whatever bank fees appliedComment -
Thank you! I challenged the rep on that as soon as he said it cuz I said what the hell is he telling me that rule for? It has nothing to do with my account! The winnings were legitimate... The rep may have just been pulling the wrong rule from his ass and sb might have 20 other similar rules related to every possible scenario including if you ever login to your account from any access point other then your secured home internet then your liable for anyone whose ever made an account with them and stolen from them.Comment -
Phew...........good luck in straightening this out. As for Betus, I have my own personal shady stories concerning them, so I do believe they are at the root of any dispute against them.Comment -
They've got a gold mine over there.
That domain name will pop up first on "sports book" searches and most first timers w/o a clue will get sucked it and swindled.Comment -
Fact: Jazatte (Sportsbook.com) could care less about forums.Comment -
daniel,
let me say to you what justin7 is trying to tell you in words you can understand:
SHUT THE FU(* UP AND QUIT TYPING IN THIS THREADComment -
and by the way, i have always used sportsbook.com and have cashed out a bit. but they handled a problem i had recently very shady so i quit playing there altogetherComment -
Good luck man! I think that you will need a lot of luck to fix this situation.Comment -
Daniel, for the love of GOD, do not respond to anything or anyone else until you hear from Justin. In the words of the miranda, you have the right to remain silent, and anything that you say can and will be used against you. You are hurting yourself here, pal. Please, I really want you to have a happy ending here if you are in the right, so let Justin do his thing, and then we will hear the full story.Comment -
Yet another sad thread of somebody being stiff by Sportsbook. You won big, and they've found something they desperately needed to give them an excuse to stiff.
Years ago they stiff 100's of players for doing correlated parlays despite their software allowing it. If you lost no one cares, it's only when your cashing out this shows up. I really believe that your not going to see a single penny based on their past experience and their disregard for SBR's mediation here.
Next time play at these books only!
Diamonds or Bookmaker
Bet Jamaica or The GreekComment -
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Your ****** kid. Why you would deposit with Sportsbook let alone 1k is beyond me. You deserve getting stiffed for the entire 25k.Comment -
That sucks, too late now of course, but that is why you got to stay away from those crap books. Covers is a joke..Comment -
Hope you get your money. Sounds like you earned it fair and square.Comment
