EasyStreet casino winner accused of using robot software

[KGambler]

What about the $50 deposit that was "fiddled" to register at the book as $450? Is this a fabrication too?

No one hired a CSI specialist to do a forensice analysis. Why are you asking this question as if anyone here knows? There was a dispute between Northbet and this same player. Northbet paid in full but closed his account. They say he intentionally doctored a receipt. He says he did not.

Most people don't feel the Northbet dispute has anything to do with this one, although I guess some people feel the burden of proof should shift to cory1111 if he has any previous history of scamming.

It's plenty wierd. He didn't stop on any of the three royals, only directly after, and after a no-score hand in both cases.

I don't find it quite as weird as you do. If he were running a bot, it could be programmed to stop right after a royal. So if he were running a bot and wanted to take breaks just to be tricky, this is what we should expect to see - an immeidate stop. If, for some bizarre reason, he instead sat there watching the bot play, maybe it would go 1-2 hands before he stopped it.

If he were playing for 100 minutes straight at 18 hands per hour, maybe he would already start the next hand (or two) before it fully registerd that he hit the royal.

Have you ever played 18 hands per minute, 100 minutes straight? No? OK, then why in the world would we care how you would respond to hitting a royal??? It's not the least bit relevant.

Furthermore, some people want actual proof that a bot was used, instead of just a bunch of things that seem "weird" to people who don't play the same way this guy Cory claims to play.

[pokernut9999]

Yes they are ! Brighton Bitch is the Head quarters for Russian mob in North America.

I don't advice anyone to use them . Because i watched few russian documentaries on how they collect .

Never heard of it , maybe Brighton Beach ?

[yokspot]

No one hired a CSI specialist to do a forensice analysis. Why are you asking this question as if anyone here knows? There was a dispute between Northbet and this same player. Northbet paid in full but closed his account. They say he intentionally doctored a receipt. He says he did not.

Most people don't feel the Northbet dispute has anything to do with this one, although I guess some people feel the burden of proof should shift to cory1111 if he has any previous history of scamming.

That's the thing. Willheim says he's been done for 30 fraud cases, but apparently that's uncorroborated. SBR Lou gets misquoted as saying he charged back, so apparently he didn't say that. Now the "50 becomes 450" wasn't "forensically analysed" so we can't know about this either. Justin says he's got a fraud history, but apparently that's irrelevant and Justin hasn't actually clarified his comment.


Is he a fraud or isn't he? What's with the tap-dancing? Can any of these allegations be put to bed? It goes to character, that's the relevance irrespective of no fraud in the case here (except the alleged "fraud" of bot use).

It's like watching Pontius Pilate turn into the Virgin Mary before our eyes.

I don't find it quite as weird as you do. If he were running a bot, it could be programmed to stop right after a royal. So if he were running a bot and wanted to take breaks just to be tricky, this is what we should expect to see - an immeidate stop. If, for some bizarre reason, he instead sat there watching the bot play, maybe it would go 1-2 hands before he stopped it.

If he were playing for 100 minutes straight at 18 hands per hour, maybe he would already start the next hand (or two) before it fully registerd that he hit the royal.

Have you ever played 18 hands per minute, 100 minutes straight? No? OK, then why in the world would we care how you would respond to hitting a royal??? It's not the least bit relevant.

The "watching the bot" hypothesis occurred to me also. I don't buy the "he didn't register it" idea. I may not have done 1900 hands of VP at 18 hpm, but I'm a (fairly) normal human being. Stopping on the hand AFTER is wierd as f**k however you look at it. It just is. I would repeat the request for feedback from the OP on why he played like this. If he's already responded, my apologies, I humbly request to be acquainted with his remarks.

[stevenash]

Yes they are ! Brighton Bitch is the Head quarters for Russian mob in North America.

I don't advice anyone to use them . Because i watched few russian documentaries on how they collect .

Miami, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, and Denver are just as bad as Brighton Beach

[Chopsticks]

The "watching the bot" hypothesis occurred to me also. I don't buy the "he didn't register it" idea. I may not have done 1900 hands of VP at 18 hpm, but I'm a (fairly) normal human being. Stopping on the hand AFTER is wierd as f**k however you look at it

I have been playing some JOB lately just for fun to see how fast I can play. I do not wait and see if I get the cards that I need before I click hit again... More often than not you are not going to get the RSF, straight flush, four of a kind etc so you just click for a new hand immediately and hope for another shot. That is just me anyway and we are talking $1 stakes. But I am sure that a VP pro would try to be as efficient as possible with his time too.

Also, cory being the gambler that he is, he was never gonna stop even if he did hit the RSF. He proved that by losing $12k back to the house before they suspended the account.

I have not reviewed the logs but could it be possible that his balance was like $20.025 (or $20.125 or whatever) and that he wanted to play his balance down to a round number before he took the break...?

[Fishhead]

I have been playing some JOB lately just for fun to see how fast I can play. I do not wait and see if I get the cards that I need before I click hit again... More often than not you are not going to get the RSF, straight flush, four of a kind etc so you just click for a new hand immediately and hope for another shot. That is just me anyway and we are talking $1 stakes. But I am sure that a VP pro would try to be as efficient as possible with his time too.

Also, cory being the gambler that he is, he was never gonna stop even if he did hit the RSF. He proved that by losing $12k back to the house before they suspended the account.

I have not reviewed the logs but could it be possible that his balance was like $20.025 (or $20.125 or whatever) and that he wanted to play his balance down to a round number before he took the break...?

WTF?

Wasted post

[CallMeChip]

I would've thought one of the forum regulars would've mentioned this by now - There was a story in the forums in the last few years - maybe 5 years or so? - about a guy having some money owed him who flew to CR or else whatever island the business was on that owed him, after they called him in for a meeting.

He was badly beaten by some thugs, I believe at their office or near their office.

It may not have involved unpaid sports bets, it may have been that he had some business involvement with the sportsbook or gambling company involved. He may have been in a lawsuit with them or about to sue.

I don't have the time, but this could probably be googled.

I heard this was a Billy Walters story. That he sent someone down there under the guise of being a lawyer to collect on a half mil that BetonSports had refused to pay and Gary Kaplan aka Greg Champion pulled a gun on the dude forced him out the building then had thugs beat the crap out of him and put him in the hospital. Kaplan was founder of BoS and I think he's actually in prison right now. I may be wrong, it's just what I heard somewhere. But I know the guy was notorious for a crazy temper. Obvioulsy, he's in the pen.

[stevenash]

Obvioulsy, he's in the pen.

He got the max, 51 months.

The guy (Wil) all you guys seem to love to beat up in this thread got my 4K back I would have lost in the BoS mess.

Wil recovered tens of thousand of dollars for a lot of people in that fiasco.

[robmpink]

Hmmmm, still rated C based on SBR ratings.

[Justin7]

Hmmmm, still rated C based on SBR ratings.

If the player isn't paid soon, expect it to keep dropping.

[Scooter]

Will all of the players demanding that all books which Cory allegedly defrauded be repaid (so far I've seen no proof about any of this) , also demand that at the same time Easystreet and its owner repay every player who has ever had a dispute with Easystreet and/or all previous companies with the same ownership?

[robmpink]

Not that it matters really, but after every decent size hand that I won playing in dgs casinos, I stopped for a few seconds, even minutes to take screen shots. Even if I didn't take a screen shot I paused for a few seconds.

[Scooter]

Not that it matters really, but after every decent size hand that I won playing in dgs casinos, I stopped for a few seconds, even minutes to take screen shots. Even if I didn't take a screen shot I paused for a few seconds.

"Not that it matters...".

Exactly.


Next, please fill us in on how long it takes you to eat a sandwich and your procedure for doing so.

[Doug]

If the player isn't paid soon, expect it to keep dropping.

anything less than "F" and SBR is a joke !

[SBR_John]

I would've thought one of the forum regulars would've mentioned this by now - There was a story in the forums in the last few years - maybe 5 years or so? - about a guy having some money owed him who flew to CR or else whatever island the business was on that owed him, after they called him in for a meeting.

He was badly beaten by some thugs, I believe at their office or near their office.

It may not have involved unpaid sports bets, it may have been that he had some business involvement with the sportsbook or gambling company involved. He may have been in a lawsuit with them or about to sue.

I don't have the time, but this could probably be googled.

SBG Global was the book.

[pokerplayer22]

I heard this was a Billy Walters story. That he sent someone down there under the guise of being a lawyer to collect on a half mil that BetonSports had refused to pay and Gary Kaplan aka Greg Champion pulled a gun on the dude forced him out the building then had thugs beat the crap out of him and put him in the hospital. Kaplan was founder of BoS and I think he's actually in prison right now. I may be wrong, it's just what I heard somewhere. But I know the guy was notorious for a crazy temper. Obvioulsy, he's in the pen.

Maybe Alex Powers will share his cell if he keeps this theft up

[xstud]

Not a bad book at all.

[skrtelfan]

The "watching the bot" hypothesis occurred to me also. I don't buy the "he didn't register it" idea. I may not have done 1900 hands of VP at 18 hpm, but I'm a (fairly) normal human being. Stopping on the hand AFTER is wierd as f**k however you look at it. It just is. I would repeat the request for feedback from the OP on why he played like this. If he's already responded, my apologies, I humbly request to be acquainted with his remarks.

What? Have you ever played a hand of video poker in your life? Any semi-experienced VP player plays so quickly that he hits "deal" for the next hand immediately after drawing cards, such that he's already hit deal for the next hand before his brain could register the outcome of the previous hand.

It's pretty absurd that people like yourself and Raiders who obviously don't play video poker have made so many posts in this thread when any semi-experienced player realizes that stopping on the hand after is completely normal. Or for that matter, Wilhelm who claims to be so experienced with VP payouts that he never saw anyone hit that many royals in a short period of time but thought a straight paid 8-1 in JoB.

[Fishhead]

"Not that it matters...".

Exactly.


Next, please fill us in on how long it takes you to eat a sandwich and your procedure for doing so.

[Fishhead]

Does Easystreet have ANY other pay issues at this time or have they had any in the past 12 months?

[HedgeHog]

anything less than "F" and SBR is a joke !

Jazette (SB.com) should go to F level before EZ does. Don't get me wrong, EZ is guilty of stealing from a scammer in this casino case, but they are consistently paying their sportsbook winners--at least from everything I've heard and read. Tough to rate EZ below SB which steals on a monthly/weekly basis.

[yokspot]

What? Have you ever played a hand of video poker in your life? Any semi-experienced VP player plays so quickly that he hits "deal" for the next hand immediately after drawing cards, such that he's already hit deal for the next hand before his brain could register the outcome of the previous hand.

It's pretty absurd that people like yourself and Raiders who obviously don't play video poker...(unnecessary drivel...)

Remind me where you got the "obviously don't play video poker" bit from?

I would suggest that your rush to judgement on me is probably largely in line with your rush to judgement on this player.

[stevenash]

What was EZ's SBR rating before the Corey fiasco

[Justin7]

They were C+.

[stevenash]

OK, now they are D-
Was the drop from C+ to D- based solely on the Corey incident?

[HedgeHog]

Last I heard they dropped back to a C, right where they began 2 months ago.

Results 1 - 3 of 3 Rating changes for: EASYSTREET
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easystreet Sports downgraded from C+ to C
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easystreet upgraded from C to C+
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easystreet Sports - SBR initiates rating coverage at C

[WVU]

wil.. can i ask one question.. (before I ask it, please understand I do believe cory is a scammer and is probably 90% guilty of what he is being accused of...but I still side softly with the player (only purely because I am one( a player) and if I ever hit 3 royals.. i would want paid without drama)... that being said I wouldnt have used a bot, nor charged back 1000s of dollars. heh)

my question is.. how come only the hands from the royals sessions are being analyzed?.. isnt the real probability of hitting a royal based on the amount of hands being played over a period of time, not just one session or the other?


so in reality cory played thousands and thousands more hands then this 8900 figure in these 3 royals sessions.. he lost 2300$ in deposits before this obviously from JOB or other games.. but indeed he must have played thousands of NON-royal hitting hands that surely should qualify to be added to his hit 3 royals figure.

in other words.. the night or 5 hrs in question.. cory hit 3 royals. for at least 1 month before then he had played JOB and never hit a royal.. so that could end up being a few thousand hands a day X say 15 days+ = somewhere between 50,000- 150,000 hands of JOB... especially if he was using a bot and/or his hands per min of 17+ kept up with what he had done the night in question.....

so if u take the 3 royals and use those much larger figures of 50K or 100K + hands, I dont think the odds of hitting the royals are nearly as astronomical....especially since he may have played at several other books and didnt hit royals in this same time period.. that doesnt need to be factored in though to see that the 8900 is kind of a (single session number) when in reality he had played 50K + hands over time.

just a little food for thought, and something that has bugged me all along about easystreet wanting to narrow in on one night/8900 hands.. when in reality, Cory had played many many many hands before that night and those hands should factor into his royal hitting probability. IMO

thx

-murph

posted at Rx

[KGambler]

how he played 5848 hands in 326 minutes

Lie #1

It has come out that he never had a session over 2 hours and change.

[KGambler]

I just want to add that all hands hours were played using perfect strategy

Lie #2

It has now come out that ezstreet only bothered to check a handful of hand histories.

[KGambler]

and played so fast that there was no pause after the 2nd and 3rd royals

Lie #3

The player took breaks one or two hands after each royal. It's very misleading to simply state that there were no breaks taken after royals.

[KGambler]

Wilheim will be holding the $46,000 in escrow

That's as obvious a lie as they come, but I guess we have no proof on that one.

SBR will have full access to all documents and will be kept informed of all developments.

Until you disagree with their ruling and tell them not to contact you

Lie #4

[KGambler]

cory1111 never once did you or Justin asked me for any information, play log, deposits or any other information.

Lie #5

Any information you require can be had from the agreed mediator.

Lie #6

Shilheim was not the agreed mediator and therx even banned cory1111

[KGambler]

We know about these lies because ezstreet and their shill Wilheim have produced some small amount of actual data, which of course wound up blowing up in their faces and disproving their prior fabrications. Imagine how many lies we could nail them down on if they were to release all of their "evidence". What is the chance they escrowed $46K to Shilheim? What is the chance they can produce a taped phone conversation (all CS calls should be taped) of the player not knowing how he hit his 3rd royal only 2 hours after hitting it? They make so many wild claims, and of course there is no reason to believe any of them. These guys have lied too many times already.

[pokerplayer22]

We know about these lies because ezstreet and their shill Wilheim have produced some small amount of actual data, which of course wound up blowing up in their faces and disproving their prior fabrications. Imagine how many lies we could nail them down on if they were to release all of their "evidence". What is the chance they escrowed $46K to Shilheim? What is the chance they can produce a taped phone conversation (all CS calls should be taped) of the player not knowing how he hit his 3rd royal only 2 hours after hitting it? They make so many wild claims, and of course there is no reason to believe any of them. These guys have lied too many times already.

From now on whenever a book lies to a customer or slow pays or no pays, we'll say that they pulled a "Powers".

[tommygun]

EASY STREET pay the guy his winnings, you bunch of clowns. Sick of reading about this.