5Dimes stole 14 500 USD

**Jerm3462** · 05-13-11, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by Lou

Zabula,

Please be aware that PMs are routinely monitored.?

okay,something smells foul now

**WVU** · 05-13-11, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by ouman101

No, its so that people don't conduct business on here, and it is for the protection of them (SBR) and posters who are not smart enough to realize that they shouldn't send/lend money to people they have never met before.

then why did Lou post that warning in this thread?

**SRBI** · 05-13-11, 09:58 AM

Everything about this industry is foul. From the games, to the sportsbooks, all the way back to the forums - open your eyes.

**ouman101** · 05-13-11, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by WVU

then why did Lou post that warning in this thread?

No idea about the warning. I was just saying that there are some reasonable business excuses for reading all PM's. Although we may not like it, this way people can't send referrals for books; resulting in posters using the SBR links for referrals.

My only guess for the warning would be that he was sending PM's to other posters, but not responding to Lou or Bill. Thus they knew he was online, but hadn't responded. Obviously, it could be for incriminating reasons too, but who knows.

**drc6491** · 05-13-11, 10:08 AM

well he replied, lets get this thing moving!

**Jerm3462** · 05-13-11, 10:15 AM

Odds on SBR ruling

Tony -175
Zabula +165

What would you bet?

**LegitBet** · 05-13-11, 10:29 AM

I finally realized who this guy sounds just like. It's been on the tip of my tongue since I started reading this thread.

The OP is Borat!!!

**runner5k** · 05-13-11, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by LegitBet

I finally realized who this guy sounds just like. It's been on the tip of my tongue since I started reading this thread.

The OP is Borat!!!

That's exactly what I was thinking!

**pokerplayer22** · 05-13-11, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Jerm3462

Odds on SBR ruling

Tony -175
Zabula +165

What would you bet?

I think SBR will rule in the players favor becuase bot use is too hard to prove. I'll also say that if SBR does side with the player, there is little doubt in my mind that Tony will pay up becuase they are in fact an A+ book...unlike the other casino dispute

**BigDaddy** · 05-13-11, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by Jerm3462

Odds on SBR ruling

Tony -175
Zabula +165

What would you bet?

do you work any books?

if so i want to set up a account and bet into your #'s

**shari91** · 05-13-11, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by WVU

Lou, you guys read pms? That is bad business IMO.

To avoid any confusion and in the event that others as well haven't visited SBR's FAQ's located via a link at the bottom of the page:

"Be advised that PMs are routinely monitored in order to protect SBR and the posters. Private messages may not be used for any commercial or illegal activity, nor can they be used to recruit SBR posters to other websites. If and when these violations in our terms of service occur, PM privileges will be revoked."

**WVU** · 05-13-11, 10:58 AM

ok Shari. thanks for posting that. I do not see how that applies here, but at least you have full disclosure.

**Jerm3462** · 05-13-11, 11:01 AM

I don't know about it being Borat00, that dude use to type in big bold letters and his english was better than zabulas.

**goucla** · 05-13-11, 11:01 AM

not a fun situation all over ffor everyone

**WVU** · 05-13-11, 11:03 AM

For those reading this thread there will soon be some key information posted in this thread that I feel helps the case of this player dramatically.

Please don't rush to judgement on this player before all the info comes out. I am confident SBR is doing what they can, but they have to be patient with the information as well.

**BigFish** · 05-13-11, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by WVU

For those reading this thread there will soon be some key information posted in this thread that I feel helps the case of this player dramatically.

I'm intrigued!

**Jerm3462** · 05-13-11, 11:06 AM

Updated odds

Tony +290
Zabula -320

**chachi** · 05-13-11, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Jerm3462

Odds on SBR ruling

Tony -175
Zabula +165

What would you bet?

200 on Zabula please ... if you are laying those prices please confirm and we can have SBR set up a head-to-head

**Jerm3462** · 05-13-11, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by chachi

200 on Zabula please ... if you are laying those prices please confirm and we can have SBR set up a head-to-head

lines changed due to inside info.

You were a minute late bud

**chachi** · 05-13-11, 11:13 AM

**vitalyo** · 05-13-11, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by chachi

200 on Zabula please ... if you are laying those prices please confirm and we can have SBR set up a head-to-head

It's for recreational players only

! Steam bettors are not welcome

**WVU** · 05-13-11, 11:16 AM

lol good stuff guys

**cyberinvestor** · 05-13-11, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Jerm3462

Updated odds Tony +290 Zabula -320

I'll take my 30 points on Tony. This situation smelled weird this morning and now Lou is telling Zabula that PM's are monitored. What the hell is Zabula doing behind the scenes on PM? Real fishy. While he may not have used a bot, although I am almost convinced (sorry Zabula), this is not the straight up "I got cheated" situation. WVU seems to have inside information so I am eager for that to come public. Also can't wait to see why Zabula brings this public then doesn't immediately want the hands public in the way SBR would provide them.

Note to Zabula: If you don't want something public, don't post it on a posting forum. You could have handled this with a complaint directly to SBR (form is right on their homepage) and it would have been handled off the boards.

**chachi** · 05-13-11, 11:17 AM

**WVU** · 05-13-11, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by cyberinvestor

I'll take my 30 points on Tony. This situation smelled weird this morning and now Lou is telling Zabula that PM's are monitored. What the hell is Zabula doing behind the scenes on PM? Real fishy. While he may not have used a bot, although I am almost convinced (sorry Zabula), this is not the straight up "I got cheated" situation. WVU seems to have inside information so I am eager for that to come public. Also can't wait to see why Zabula brings this public then doesn't immediately want the hands public in the way SBR would provide them.

Note to Zabula: If you don't want something public, don't post it on a posting forum. You could have handled this with a complaint directly to SBR (form is right on their homepage) and it would have been handled off the boards.

the player is confused enough as it is. You really are not helping. Everything will come to light soon

**Boxing Champ** · 05-13-11, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by zabula11

hi lou,

sorry for keep you waiting, i did not mean it like that. I only was waiting for bill dozers reply how he wants to publish this hands, it was my only question and "condition" before i agree to do so. I just wanted to know how it will be done, publishing such an amount of hands. That is all... The reply from bill dozer i received was from tonight my time so now is time to reply. Of course i am not against publishing my hands. I just wanted to know how it will be done, because as i am reading posts, people here makes their minds very very quickly, so i just wanted to know how such published hand history will look like as i dont want any more things that will hurt my personaly. I would be in happy if you could give me any time frame when it will be published and when you will say oficial verdict as reading this discussion is for my personality very frustrating. I much more can sit hours and hours hibernated behind my computer and play than to defend my rights here... I really feel like on court here. Nobody even cares that if i couldnt speak english, i probably never even have a chance to fight for my money. Nobody feels that the only guilty here is tony as he just zeroed my balance like waving a magic stick? Like he is wizzard of all money and he can disappear 14 500 usd just like that? Nobody cares? I never seen this in my whole life, such an arogance from "a+" company... (by the way, i also would like to see his financial books.. How such an extra revenue of 14 500 seized money is written there.. I bet it all goes into his pocket straightly..) also somebody was asking here about authenticity of chat conversation i had with tony. It is of course true. And you can see there that tony said he of course has evidence of "bot play" and that he wont tell me what he has and that case is closed just like that... And that he will only send it to sbr.. Then he says few lines later he doesnt even care about sbr etc.. And now we see he did not have any evidence.. Just hand history that i think he even cant export eventhough he designed all games and universe... So who is liar here.. Unfortunatelly, that is just nowadeys world, as lehman brothers also had aaa rating just minutes before all world found out they are totall bankrupted and full of thieves...

Guys this is his last post...

**SBR Lou** · 05-13-11, 11:33 AM

Zabula has consented for the hands to be released while the case is ongoing.

The hands are in spreadsheet format, you will need Excel to view them.

5Dimes Report 1.xlsx
5Dimes Report 2.xlsx

**Boxing Champ** · 05-13-11, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by zabula11

Edit: View SBR Response.

The poster's full, unaltered complaint is below:
______________

Hi guys,

I am new here and I want your advice and also I want to tell you how it really goes in 5 dimes.
We all know their bonus casino is kinda "pearl" in industry offering some games with over 100% payout rate.
But what will really happen when you start to play it?
There is my story... Started there months ago as I found it here on 5 Dimes that their deuces wild is FULL PAY, meaning cca 0.75% players edge. After months I found much more profitable games there and my balance went to 14 500 USD.
Today I asked withdrawal of 5 000 and only thing that happened is that their manager Tony told me, that I used a robot and so my balance is set to zero. How easy is not to pay customers then just tell them they are using robot... Tony of course did not give me any evidence of using robot but only because he probably doesnt like people who hit few royal flushes in a day, then it must be robot... And probably all professional players will tell me, that it is not that difficult to play around 1000-1500 hands a day which gives you fair chances of catching even few royal flushes a day... (or loosing a lot of course....) For those who think, that playing over 1000 hands an hour perfectly is not possible for human, just try 5 dimes casino (or better not as you will not see your money anymore). But some variances of their video poker games pays just royal flush and second highest hand. So you totally dont care about any flushes, straights, full houses etc.. hands that takes your thinking time as you must concentrace if you have 3 to straight, if to draw two cards or deal brand new hand etc.. on this machine where is only royal flush as win and second best, for example royal flush with jocker, you basicly draw most of hands as new hands or holds 2 to royal flush etc.. which is very easy and even monkey can hold 2 to royal flush and discard all other.. there is not robot needed at all because it is possible for just slightly trained human to discard 700 hands and draw to 300 as there is 2 to royal flush or more..
As this is my first post here, I dont know how to upload image, but I have them all.. There is for example my welcome screent that shows:

Sportsbook Wagering Suspended

Sportsbook wagering has been suspended. Please contact customer service for more information.

or if I go to daily figure, I see this nice adjustment:

BETTING ADJUSTMENT TOTAL : -14,500.24

or in transactions history I have this:
800121835/9/11 10:10am-$14,500.24-$993.75robot player, reset to zero
So guys, how do you like 5dimes? I am not even angry because this just seems to me so unbeleiveable that I probably still dont beleive they took my 14 500 USD out of me saying that I used robot

... What will be next? All your graded wagers voided because you are fortune teller?...

THIS IS is his First post 4 days ago.......................

HE IS FULL OF SHIT......
He became Borat in 4 days???? PLEASE!!!!

**scott235** · 05-13-11, 11:34 AM

Sportsbooks planting bad lines, knowing that there will never be a payoff if it goes against them, and now this "bot" BS! Overall, these bots make them a ton of money, and they welcome them.

PAY HIM!!!!

**Boxing Champ** · 05-13-11, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by scott235

Sportsbooks planting bad lines, knowing that there will never be a payoff if it goes against them, and now this "bot" BS! Overall, these bots make them a ton of money, and they welcome them.

PAY HIM!!!!

Did you read his bullshit..he sounds like an English professor in his first post 4 days ago..He sounded like Borat today..He's lying!!!!!

**wrongturn** · 05-13-11, 11:41 AM

The files are too big, will crash a lot of computers

**Boxing Champ** · 05-13-11, 11:44 AM

I don't need to see the files..All I have to do is look at what he wrote...Today he sounds like Borat..he wants people to think he is from another country..In his complain to SBR 4 days ago he sounds like an English teacher..

LIER

**scott235** · 05-13-11, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Boxing Champ

Did you read his bullshit..he sounds like an English professor in his first post 4 days ago..He sounded like Borat today..He's lying!!!!!

He posted cash upfront, found an edge, exploited it and won. Period. At the very most show him the door and close his account. Everything else is just silly nonsense.

PAY HIM!!!!

**Boxing Champ** · 05-13-11, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by scott235

He posted cash upfront, found an edge, exploited it and won. Period. At the very most show him the door and close his account. Everything else is just silly nonsense.

PAY HIM!!!!

In a perfect world..YES...at 5Dimes...NO

**thegreen** · 05-13-11, 12:01 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbM86BaqpC8

PAY THE MAN HIS MONEY!!!!!!! HE BEAT YOU!!!!