5Dimes stole 14 500 USD

[ouman101]

Cyber, I'm curious as to why someone with admittedly no knowledge of video poker, feels the need to comment every 5 minutes? Any chance that we can let this thing play out, without your play-by-play? 1-2 seconds in between hands seems typical for this type of game that is almost brainless.

[sharpcat]

Nothing different here than the most recent case where SBR ruled in favor of the player, nothing in those logs can prove that he used a bot. No matter how suspicious it seems SBR has to rule for the player unless they can somehow prove beyond a doubt that the player used a bot.

Forums will break out into a riot if SBR mugs the player here to support their sponsor book after they lynched Easy just a month ago on the same exact scenario.

[Jerm3462]

SBR loses no matter what their decision

[shari91]

Sharpie, how is it the exact same scenario when no hand history was ever released for public viewing?

Edited to add: Another difference - the poster accused of using a bot is not only allowed to post at the forum responsible for mediating the case but is encouraged to. Remember - cory couldn't and still can't post at therx.

The only similarity I see here at all is the allegation of bot use in a casino. There have been no requests to "prove his play" - in fact, WVU has volunteered that info on zabula's behalf at the request of no one.

[cyberinvestor]

Cyber, I'm curious as to why someone with admittedly no knowledge of video poker, feels the need to comment every 5 minutes? Any chance that we can let this thing play out, without your play-by-play? 1-2 seconds in between hands seems typical for this type of game that is almost brainless.

Some people play video poker, I post on forums. I don't use a bot but can post 20 hours straight and 2 seconds between posts without using a mouse or a keyboard. We each have our own vices.

By the way this is playing out. It is playing out as people assess and discuss the data. For some reason SBR is not commenting even though they have the data and had it for a day. Instead they are letting this go (so far) through public opinion. Why? I know they will make their own assessment but I would like their opinion.

Second, nobody finds it odd that he took four breaks of 491 seconds EXACTLY?

I mean I am just astonished. I get it, let's root for the little guy but for people to blindly stand up and say "nothing wrong here, move along" is just crazy to me. Sure pay him even if he cheated. Fine by me since I don't have to pay him. However don't say something isn't fishy in this situation.

SBR cannot win on this decision in any way. If they side with the player they are overlooking a lot of craziness that went on and things said from Zabula's own mouth. If they side with 5Dimes then they will be accused of siding with a sponsor. If they let the forums decide first and the forum sides (for the most part) with 5Dimes then they can deflect that there was evidence of issue, people acknowledged and SBR decided on their own with 5Dimes.

[ROYAJA8]

Hopefully sbr sides with the player and he gets paid. And dam cyberinvestor you work for 5dimes or what? Stop hating so much and take a break from this post.

[ouman101]

Some people play video poker, I post on forums. I don't use a bot but can post 20 hours straight and 2 seconds between posts without using a mouse or a keyboard. We each have our own vices. By the way this is playing out. It is playing out as people assess and discuss the data. For some reason SBR is not commenting even though they have the data and had it for a day. Instead they are letting this go (so far) through public opinion. Why? I know they will make their own assessment but I would like their opinion. Second, nobody finds it odd that he took four breaks of 491 seconds EXACTLY? I mean I am just astonished. I get it, let's root for the little guy but for people to blindly stand up and say "nothing wrong here, move along" is just crazy to me. Sure pay him even if he cheated. Fine by me since I don't have to pay him. However don't say something isn't fishy in this situation. SBR cannot win on this decision in any way. If they side with the player they are overlooking a lot of craziness that went on and things said from Zabula's own mouth. If they side with 5Dimes then they will be accused of siding with a sponsor. If they let the forums decide first and the forum sides (for the most part) with 5Dimes then they can deflect that there was evidence of issue, people acknowledged and SBR decided on their own with 5Dimes.

Your opinion is noted. I'm not trying to be a troll, but you've already stated you don't know the first thing about video poker. So why do we need to hear you state your point over and over? Your opinion weighs the same as if I went into a court room and tried to defend someone without a law degree.

Let the people who do this professionally for a living, give their professional opinion. All you are doing is cluttering up the thread.

[cyberinvestor]

Your opinion is noted. I'm not trying to be a troll, but you've already stated you don't know the first thing about video poker. So why do we need to hear you state your point over and over? Your opinion weighs the same as if I went into a court room and tried to defend someone without a law degree. Let the people who do this professionally for a living, give their professional opinion. All you are doing is cluttering up the thread.

Ok professional. When you take a break during your sessions. Are those breaks all 491 seconds each?

Please explain

Also please explain how Zabula went from a good English speaker to Borat in a few days? Stress of the situation cracking him up?


I hope he gets paid and Zabula I wish you the best of luck. But you want me to stop talking then stop saying there is nothing to what I am saying that all this isn't very odd. Everyone is acting like there isn't anything out of the ordinary here and then attacking me when I am just showing what is.

[ouman101]

I'm not a professional, which is why I'd like to hear from them. The breaks are weird, but someone disciplined enough to play all day, could certainly be disciplined enough to take set breaks. His knowledge of the English language really has zero bearing on this case.

And just as a side note: If you order by time between hands. You will see that he takes all kinds of breaks, in vastly different amounts of times. Some just 5 minutes, some 10-20 minute breaks, and then the obvious multiple hour long breaks (presumably to rest)

[pokerplayer22]

Nothing different here than the most recent case where SBR ruled in favor of the player, nothing in those logs can prove that he used a bot. No matter how suspicious it seems SBR has to rule for the player unless they can somehow prove beyond a doubt that the player used a bot.

Forums will break out into a riot if SBR mugs the player here to support their sponsor book after they lynched Easy just a month ago on the same exact scenario.

I have to agree..the precendent has been set....The only difference here is that if and when SBR sides with the player, 5dimes will most definately pay the player

[WVU]

Ok professional. When you take a break during your sessions. Are those breaks all 491 seconds each?
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the breaks are all not 491 seconds long. Why do you keep saying that? You have an agenda. first you said there were no breaks at all and now you say they were all 491 seconds long which is also not the case. Do you know how to use excel? obviously not. pipe down and let others do the research you are incapable of doing correctly.

[Bill Dozer]

Hi Lou,

sorry for keep you waiting, I did not mean it like that. I only was waiting for Bill Dozers reply how he wants to publish this hands, it was my only question and "condition" before I agree to do so. I just wanted to know how it will be done, publishing such an amount of hands. That is all... The reply from Bill Dozer I received was from tonight my time so now is time to reply. Of course i am not against publishing my hands. I just wanted to know how it will be done, because as I am reading posts, people here makes their minds very very quickly, so I just wanted to know how such published hand history will look like as I dont want any more things that will hurt my personaly. I would be in happy if you could give me any time frame when it will be published and when you will say oficial verdict as reading this discussion is for my personality very frustrating. I much more can sit hours and hours hibernated behind my computer and play than to defend my rights here... I really feel like on court here. Nobody even cares that if I couldnt speak english, I probably never even have a chance to fight for my money. Nobody feels that the only guilty here is Tony as he just zeroed my balance like waving a magic stick? Like he is wizzard of all money and he can disappear 14 500 USD just like that? Nobody cares? I never seen this in my whole life, such an arogance from "A+" company... (by the way, I also would like to see his financial books.. how such an extra revenue of 14 500 seized money is written there.. I bet it all goes into his pocket straightly..) Also somebody was asking here about authenticity of chat conversation I had with tony. It is of course true. And you can see there that tony said he of course has evidence of "bot play" and that he wont tell me what he has and that case is closed just like that... And that he will only send it to SBR.. Then he says few lines later he doesnt even care about SBR etc.. and now we see he did not have any evidence.. just hand history that I think he even cant export eventhough he designed all games and universe... So who is liar here.. Unfortunatelly, that is just nowadeys world, as Lehman Brothers also had AAA rating just minutes before all world found out they are totall bankrupted and full of thieves...

zabula11,

I replied to your PMs with a few basic questions about your dispute yesterday AM. I see the only PMs you sent were to others asking for advice on how to answer my questions.

You brought your dispute to the forum so it is natural the forum is going to play a role and we needed to get your OK for us to show your account history. You'll need to communicate with us on all questions and not choose what information you want released to the court of public opinion.

[cyberinvestor]

the breaks are all not 491 seconds long. Why do you keep saying that? You have an agenda. first you said there were no breaks at all and now you say they were all 491 seconds long which is also not the case. Do you know how to use excel? obviously not. pipe down and let others do the research you are incapable of doing correctly.

Come WVU. You yourself have said you have used bots before. You have an agenda to see Zabula win this because he did the same thing you did. You worked over casinos and got your edge. Good for you. I have no issue there because you admit it. I have no agenda but defending myself. You are attacking me and overlooking all the different data. You are putting blinders on, like many others, and a clothes pin over your nose to avoid the smell of this situation and not addressing all the inconsistency and issues within this situation.

How is it possible to have four breaks, in the short bit of data, that are 491 seconds. Oh not 491 seconds but 491.3 seconds and one 491.4 seconds. You can argue what you want but he didn't have breaks of 491, 495, 502, 488. Sure, that I could say is random. He had four breaks that were the exact same length in duration and only off by a tenth of a second. Was he using a stop watch?

zabula11, I replied to your PMs with a few basic questions about your dispute yesterday AM. I see the only PMs you sent were to others asking for advice on how to answer my questions. You brought your dispute to the forum so it is natural the forum is going to play a role and we needed to get your OK for us to show your account history. You'll need to communicate with us on all questions and not choose what information you want released in the court of public opinion.

Those of you attacking me. This isn't fishy at all right?

[patswin]

zabula11,

I replied to your PMs with a few basic questions about your dispute yesterday AM. I see the only PMs you sent were to others asking for advice on how to answer my questions.

You brought your dispute to the forum so it is natural the forum is going to play a role and we needed to get your OK for us to show your account history. You'll need to communicate with us on all questions and not choose what information you want released to the court of public opinion.

busted! LOL

[WVU]

zabula11,

I replied to your PMs with a few basic questions about your dispute yesterday AM. I see the only PMs you sent were to others asking for advice on how to answer my questions.

You brought your dispute to the forum so it is natural the forum is going to play a role and we needed to get your OK for us to show your account history. You'll need to communicate with us on all questions and not choose what information you want released in the court of public opinion.

I will take the blame for much of this. I was advising him to keep quiet and to stall the release of the game logs as I don't see how they can prove a bot was used. You did say it was up to him whether to release them publicly or not. He was merely exercising that right.

[WVU]

busted! LOL

[WVU]

Come WVU. You yourself have said you have used bots before. You have an agenda to see Zabula win this because he did the same thing you did. You worked over casinos and got your edge. Good for you. I have no issue there because you admit it. I have no agenda but defending myself. You are attacking me and overlooking all the different data. You are putting blinders on, like many others, and a clothes pin over your nose to avoid the smell of this situation and not addressing all the inconsistency and issues within this situation.

My agenda is to see this guy get his fair shake. I have not lied or posted any untruths in any of my posts. You have. I am done with you as I would think most everyone else is as well.

[cyberinvestor]

My agenda is to see this guy get his fair shake. I have not lied or posted any untruths in any of my posts. You have. I am done with you as I would think most everyone else is as well.

How will I sleep tonight now that you are done with me? Oh no!

You have screwed Zabula over more than anything I tried to prove (since you appear to feel I had something in for Zabula). You are a wonderful defense attorney. Ensure your client gets a fair shake which can be done if all the evidence is not posted. Someone who is innocent doesn't try to filter the evidence or information that gets out.

If he didn't cheat then lay it all out on the table and it should be easy to see.

[The Prick]

wvu playin jailhouse lawyer yeah that dont sound fishy at all

[Bill Dozer]

I will take the blame for much of this. I was advising him to keep quiet and to stall the release of the game logs as I don't see how they can prove a bot was used. You did say it was up to him whether to release them publicly or not. He was merely exercising that right.

I don't think you're helping him. The questions were in his best interest. If he is giving false information the dispute will be over as he doesn't get another chance as a truthful party and a different argument.

But, the Qs I was asking were about the play not if I could post his hand history.

[WVU]

I wasn't privy to the questions, Bill. That is totally his call on what he does with that. I didn't advise him one way or the other on any of that.

[WVU]

I don't think you're helping him. The questions were in his best interest. If he is giving false information the dispute will be over as he doesn't get another chance as a truthful party and a different argument.

But, the Qs I was asking were about the play not if I could post his hand history.

I sense quite a different tone from you and other staff compared to how Cory was treated. Just saying.

[1984mountaineer]

Is there anyway to get email updates or something when this matter is resolved? I was considering looking into 5Dimes as my new sportsbook, but would rather not without knowing the answer to this... but would also rather not read through all the crap being posted in these threads.

[Jerm3462]

Sbr, What say you?

[HedgeHog]

My agenda is to see this guy get his fair shake. I have not lied or posted any untruths in any of my posts. You have. I am done with you as I would think most everyone else is as well.

Has Tony called you yet to say "I'm sending someone to your crib"?

[cyberinvestor]

I sense quite a different tone from you and other staff compared to how Cory was treated. Just saying.

You should delete this. It makes you sound petty as once again instead of attacking Bill's position you are taking the below the belt shot and trying to insinuate Bill is doing this because it is 5Dimes.

[Boxing Champ]

Doesn't anyone realize that this fool is lying??? I mean he sounded like Borat in the morning... but in his last
post he writes perfect english...Add the 491.3 second breaks back to back and you have a lier....
I don't care if he gets paid or not, that will be up to Tony.There is no doubt that the bot was used and he is not from the third world country..I bet you he is a college graduate with at least a bachelors degree in computer science. I just don't like people that come here to wyne about being cheated...and lie to everyone here at the same time so that people will feel sorry for'em and help him get his money...

[HedgeHog]

Yes, it's highly likely he used a Bot. No, it's not sufficient proof to seize funds. JMO.

[WVU]

No cyber, I am basing this on communication between me and SBR staff with the Cory situation versus this situation. I have noticed the difference is all.

[bettilimbroke999]

I sense quite a different tone from you and other staff compared to how Cory was treated. Just saying.

Are you suggesting SBR is influenced by that expensive banner at the top of the site?

Are you suggesting that mediating between a player and one of the businesses that makeup the mediators entire income creates a conflict of interest?

Are you suggesting that we breathe oxygen?

Keep those crazy theories to yourself sir

[Boxing Champ]

WVU.....U would make a great public defender!!!

[ThaWoj]

thats one dam big excel file. oh and i LOL'd when zabula said something like 'because tony is god and created game and whole universe'

[Boxing Champ]

Come WVU. You yourself have said you have used bots before. You have an agenda to see Zabula win this because he did the same thing you did. You worked over casinos and got your edge. Good for you. I have no issue there because you admit it. I have no agenda but defending myself. You are attacking me and overlooking all the different data. You are putting blinders on, like many others, and a clothes pin over your nose to avoid the smell of this situation and not addressing all the inconsistency and issues within this situation.

How is it possible to have four breaks, in the short bit of data, that are 491 seconds. Oh not 491 seconds but 491.3 seconds and one 491.4 seconds. You can argue what you want but he didn't have breaks of 491, 495, 502, 488. Sure, that I could say is random. He had four breaks that were the exact same length in duration and only off by a tenth of a second. Was he using a stop watch?




Those of you attacking me. This isn't fishy at all right?

I agree with you 100%

[yokspot]

LOL. When will clueless casinos stop being clueless and offering EV+ games?

That is the only issue here. How hard is it to run a paytable through Winpoker ans check that it's under 100%?

Cory with EV+ bonuses (not played as +EV, LOL), OP here with EV+ games. The beat goes on. Blame player for casino mistakes.

Even A+ books pull these stunts?

[donkdown]

of course u hear a diffrent tone wvu. 5dimes is a cash cow for sbr!! Justin7 were is the vid regaurding this??